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for the masses headline additionally

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i'm your host jimmy church tonight

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tonight march 4th complete

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the planets we want to thank race hobbs

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tonight very special guest

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richard dolan richard bleepin

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dolan is back we've got a lot to talk

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about tonight

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richard dolan is one of the world's

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leading researchers and writers on the

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subject of ufos

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and he believes that they constitute the

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greatest mystery of our time

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richard completed his graduate work at

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the university of rochester

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where he studied u.s cold war strategy

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european history and the international

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he has also studied at alfred university

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in oxford

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university he is the author of ufos in

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the national security state

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he also co-authored that with bryce as

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abel a.d after disclosure

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and his latest book is ufos of the 21st

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century mind yes he is allegedly writing

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he hosts

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a weekly radio show called the richard

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he is currently featured on several

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television series and documentaries

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including ancient aliens hangar one ufo

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files and close encounters

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in addition to his research richard's

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company the richard dolan press

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publishes books by authors from around

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the world

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and he hosts his weekly live stream hit

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on his youtube channel every single week

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and richard welcome back to the program

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my friend and hey how are you doing

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they're doing great can you hear me okay

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man uh you're loud

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but uh let me let's move this down

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how's this is this a little bit better

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see this is you know what richard you

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just revealed to everybody

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that out of every guest that we have on

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this show you're the only one we don't

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because because you're richard bleep and

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why we sound checked i'm on a new i i

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know i'm on a temporary new mic

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actually so uh i've had to i've had to

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rig a new system so we can do this right

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here do i say

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okay do you know where'd you get that

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yeah yeah well i had this guy on the on

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all right all right richard let's kick

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it off let's just let's keep the

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tradition going what was the last song

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i knew you were going to ask me that so

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i had to ask tracy and uh i remember it

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kind of a neat song by baz skaggs

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known fact i'm a

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i actually am a fan of boss gags but um

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he sounds in that song a bit like a

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group that i like even much more which

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i don't know if i've ever talked with

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you about that but i'm a big fan of them

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yeah a steely dan or boss kags a steely

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dan i'll tell you another little known

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boz skaggs used to hang with uh steve

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fly like an eagle which is a great steve

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on that oh cool yeah i didn't know that

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i'd like steve i love all that 70 stuff

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and um i'm definitely a big fan of that

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music yeah so am i so am i there is uh

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when i was a kid and we're gonna get

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right to the ufo stuff here

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um but uh in other subjects but when i

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14 years old and i sneak my way

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into a bar okay and

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fly like an eagle dude

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right the the the hi-hat shuffle

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and every to this day richard

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when i hear fly like an eagle i don't

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think of steve miller

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i think of that dude in the bar when i

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was 15. and i don't even know who he is

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but i'm talking about how memory works

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yeah it's really really strange but it

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me go a little bit off topic i want to

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you are a false flag historian

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and uh i can turn back time here

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um you and i were sitting out in the hot

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going on you said i'm speaking in

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15 minutes and i said really what are

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you speaking about and you go i don't

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i'll write it between here

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and the stage and i believe i was

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introducing you right

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okay and uh and and you said i'll

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stage and i thought man how cool is that

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right no pressure no pressure

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but you turn to me and we're walking in

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the building and you go you know i think

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i think i'm gonna do false flags okay i

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i think i've got that in my head and i

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know you remember the conversation as we

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were walking when this happened and i

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thought it was so funny

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so i'm i'm gonna ask you to

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improv right now and let's go a little

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bit off topic

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but on topic which is this see how good

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your improv chops are coronavirus

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false flag or is this something that we

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need to be concerned about

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you have to be careful with how we're

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going to define false flags that's right

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that's right that's right and that's why

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i hit it to you

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with the warm-up okay so what are we

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doing with this

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i don't think that's the question i

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would ask i would ask i would ask

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how one question that we could ask

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is whether it's believable that

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it started um the way that we're

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officially being told which is

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through uh you know from a bat in a in a

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kind of outdoor market

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or does that have anything to do with

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the uh bio

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weapons laboratory that is exactly like

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right there within almost a stone's

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throw distance

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um i don't know if other people believe

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in coincidences but i

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don't think that i do and i think that

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there is at least ample reason to

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suspect that this is manufactured

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and that wouldn't make it a false flag

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that just makes it there could be a lot

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that um it could be that it got out

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someone screwed up it could be that it

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was intentional

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but i i'm very skeptical i just will say

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simply a natural thing that got out due

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maybe it is and maybe it isn't we don't

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have all the information

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but i think it's entirely likely that we

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should be looking at a human

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manufactured virus and there's a lot of

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other things that i read about it

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that make me think that that is the case

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it's it's rapid transmission

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the fact that it really does seem to

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like to latch on it's highly infectious

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so um i don't know i'm i think that

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there are things going on here that

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we're not being told

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false flag would indicate that this was

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for an ulterior motive to maybe create

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laws that would otherwise not be able to

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be passed you know pernicious laws like

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that and so forth

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uh the fact that this came out of china

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is has closed down the chinese economy

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makes me think that it is not a false

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flag it makes me think that

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if it's as i think it is and it's just

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it was an accident got out

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and has completely shut the chinese

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economy down

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okay now this is where i want to jump in

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is absolutely accurate there's things

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funky but then there's things that make

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china but there's anything natural about

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it i don't think it's natural

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which is what the media is saying um but

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but this is my point i just find it

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strange

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when i look at iran north korea

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and china iran right how

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how how is iran a central player

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in in this with 3 000 infections and

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and 92 deaths where where is that

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coming from and it's interesting i mean

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north korea i don't think we have any

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information

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what's in the middle between south korea

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well a lot of transport between south

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there is no you don't have to go through

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north to korea to get to china

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from um from south korea so i don't

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know and north korea isn't

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i mean they have relations with china

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it's true but it's not like it was in

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the old days

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china is very uncomfortable with north

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korea and i don't know where they are

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in a lot of the details we don't know

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about north korea now

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it's true iran absolutely has been in

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the u.s crosshairs

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for a long time china yes but it just

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seems to me like

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there's an op you got you put american

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operatives

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in the middle of western china

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oh not excuse me but central china to uh

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create this

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i don't know i know i'm not saying it's

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impossible but it's

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um doesn't seem like it to me it seems

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like this has come out of china

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and plus you've now got this going to

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italy uh this is

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do this is a global shutdown and um

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we're only in the very beginning stages

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contractions i mean almost a convulsion

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that we're likely to see and the disease

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itself is

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you know some people say it's no big

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deal it's just like a flu

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it is and it isn't it's a flu that has a

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three to four percent mortality rate so

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for every 100 people that get this three

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or four will die

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and which is quite high i mean no you

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know flus

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are not that lethal flus kill more

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people because they're much more

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widespread but

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this is only just beginning we don't

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really know where this thing's going to

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go

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so and it seems to be highly infectious

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are you

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reading between the lines

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with the the media reporting on this are

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you trying to make your own sense out of

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this or

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are you buying what the media is selling

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at this point

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well i never i mean i that's i don't

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know how to answer that question i mean

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if you mean the media by western

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corporate media then

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clearly no absolutely not but you have

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to

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lines with what these people are saying

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really when you get with major media i'd

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like to study them because

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that's important too and what i'm seeing

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in the last just day or two

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really is a turning where you see

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major media and major western-based

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authorities

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really starting to say this is this is

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serious and

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it's really hard not to when for example

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the entire nation of italy has closed

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all of their schools all of them and

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they've i i think i read that uh seniors

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are being

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uh asked to remain in quarantine and

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within their homes

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this is too dangerous so when you have

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measures like that you know the head of

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the uk's um medical system

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i think it was the head said that

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possibly up to

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80 percent of residents in the uk could

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be infected

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it admittedly that would that was a high

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estimate but that number was tossed out

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so there's a lot of major

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establishment people starting to

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get very serious now here's one thing we

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can definitely expect with this

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that this virus will be a great

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opportunity

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for certain policies and this is maybe

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where you're getting in with the false

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flag part

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for certain policies to be implemented

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that would not be done otherwise so now

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you're hearing talk about banning cash

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because cash will spread germs

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and digital is much more safe of course

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everything digital can be tracked

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uh that much more easily obviously but

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you can be sure that we're going to hear

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more

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talk about maybe it's time to end cash

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and you know vaccinations or you know

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inoculations of any type like that i

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think are going to be much more

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strongly pushed down there's just going

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to be no resistance

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um so i think there'll be other measures

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like that we can expect

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as a result of this this is going to be

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a big

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society

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much like the aftermath of 9 11 did

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i don't know if it will be as big as 9

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11

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but what i mean i was just out shopping

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with tracy at the store

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and you know you could see we're up in

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rochester we have no cases here

404
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up in upstate new york but you

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you can see people they're not yet panic

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buying

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but they're close so this is this is

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something that's really weighing on

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people's minds

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and they'll be very easily manipulated

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um

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so we have to be watch watchful of that

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for sure i was uh

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i mentioned last night on the show that

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uh maybe it was on monday but

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over the weekend uh i had to go to home

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depot

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not to buy face masks by the way i went

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to home depot

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to buy stuff for the house and i i'm

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there and i'm in line

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and uh i'm last in line there's like 10

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people in front of i finally get up to

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the cash register and i'm up there and i

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hear these two ladies behind me

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bickering a little bit upset that they

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came there for face mask but they were

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sold out

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so i turned around to them and they were

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both i'm going to say mid-60s

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like right in there 60 65 and i said you

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guys came here for face mask

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and they were sold out and we don't know

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what we're going to do and this one lady

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said she was a nurse

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and as we're talking i got a loud mouth

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you know everybody can hear me uh what

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we're talking about not you

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and uh right and and and behind them

440
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there's like another 10 people that were

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in line they all kind of lean over

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and they're nodding their head and

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they're talking

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i said wait a minute how many of you

445
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were here today for face mask

446
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everybody raised their hand

447
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and i thought wow okay

448
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,640
but this was really a lot closer to the

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heart of it i mean la i think i read the

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one of the costco's in la was almost

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like uh

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you know getting really crazy with a lot

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of a lot of

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fear buying there and i think they were

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selling out of a lot of things

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well water is is costco's bread and

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butter

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literally right you know the costco

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water

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and i can only imagine what has been

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going on there i haven't visited costco

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in the last couple of weeks

463
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but i'm curious as to what is going on

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there even

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rita richard rita who is very sensible

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and very pragmatic uh

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came to me last week and said so church

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uh

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where's the water you know what do you

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what are you doing for your family

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why don't you get off your butt and go

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and and fill up our garage

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and and i need to ask you

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your wife calls you church oh man when

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she's pissed

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richard you know rita well enough man

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you know rita

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and if i if she says

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she says church i snap to attention man

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i just do

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i do and uh but yeah

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and i uh so i i

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i then turned to the two ladies

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and i said well i'm going to be honest

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with you i actually walked by the face

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mass section myself

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and i did and the shells were empty and

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there were a couple of signs that were

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taped in front

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we are sold out of all face masks and

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we're expecting more

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soon but i don't know how effective

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those are

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honestly it's not clear to me that um

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they're going to have much of a

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preventive measure with this the real

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fear

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the thing to be concerned about is that

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this has

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essentially shut down china's economy

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they're the second largest economy in

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the world

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as we all know they make everything they

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all the supply chains

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start there and a lot of them start in

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wuhan

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which is a huge manufacturing center in

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china

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and that place has become a ghost town

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as we all now know

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and so we're in an age of just-in-time

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warehousing

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you know jit which is simply means that

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warehouses

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don't store huge amounts of inventory

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anymore like they used to

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they save money by having it this way

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but now we've got a situation

519
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in a highly integrated global economy

520
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where we are now so integrated with each

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other and that

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obviously includes china that when that

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part of the global system shuts down and

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they have

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shut down um

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then we've got we've got to really look

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at our

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how long our supply chains will last

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before we're going to start seeing major

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impacts now

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in things like food my understanding is

532
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that's not

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necessarily the biggest problem i mean

534
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electronics obviously

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medicine absolutely could be a problem

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you know various types of other

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important supplies i mean pretty much

538
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everything so when you have this

539
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this cascading effect starting with

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china but affecting the entire

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east asian market and then spreading

542
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very rapidly to europe and

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and the western hemisphere yeah this

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could be a very serious problem that

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could go

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for several months and it's more than

547
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just stock market i mean if the stock

548
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market

549
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,360
uh is that unstable companies will start

550
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:52,960
laying people off and you know

551
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,559
we'll see this a very very uh

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00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,960
potentially dangerous domino effect so

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that is

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that's the thing to be concerned about

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and as far as stocking up

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look if things get really bad you know

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00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,159
zombie apocalypse level well nothing's

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00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,760
really going to save

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00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,280
if you have a couple of extra rolls of

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toilet paper or

561
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,720
a couple of extra cans of beans with

562
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,480
some rice good for you

563
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,280
if if the system truly collapses that's

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00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:20,720
not going to save you

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but um hopefully it will be

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people will realize that

567
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,200
you know if if this the thing is we've

568
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,120
never seen this happen before

569
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,520
i mean people talked about sars that was

570
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:40,880
totally contained

571
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,840
um this does not show the same signs of

572
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:44,960
easily being contained

573
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,559
so it it is possible

574
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,720
that we either get a vaccine or find a

575
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,559
way to get around this so that

576
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,799
things don't fall apart but as they are

577
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,240
looking right now

578
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:59,200
uh china's next quarter forecast is in

579
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,400
in the tank

580
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:03,600
it's they've got there's no optimism

581
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,080
there

582
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,520
not in their service sector not in their

583
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,120
manufacturing not in

584
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,840
any part of their economy so the

585
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,919
purchasing managers they just called

586
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,880
i think the pion purchasing a pmi

587
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,400
purchasing manager index i was just

588
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,520
reading about this because i didn't know

589
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,400
about it

590
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,880
and those are all very critical and they

591
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:21,760
are

592
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,360
bad in china so it's it's something to

593
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,280
be concerned about in terms of

594
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,120
economic impacts and it could last us

595
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,880
for the year yeah i don't

596
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,320
know of and

597
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,840
people need to really listen to what i'm

598
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,360
about to say i don't

599
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:40,159
know of anything that you can purchase

600
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,120
today

601
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,159
anything at all that doesn't have

602
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,440
some type of china component to it

603
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,600
no matter what it is it may be assembled

604
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:51,200
here in the united states parts come

605
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,240
from china

606
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,400
and and that goes for not only from

607
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,400
iphones but it goes to

608
00:23:03,190 --> 00:22:59,520
uh ford chevrolet uh

609
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,200
bmw mercedes it does not matter

610
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:05,919
uh the airline industry those spare

611
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:06,480
parts

612
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,240
something there's a component

613
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:13,039
in there that comes from china and i had

614
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,440
said

615
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,360
last month on the air that china

616
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,559
basically does what all manufacturers do

617
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:21,280
just in case they've got two weeks of

618
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,000
parts to

619
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,480
ship in case of any disruption in the

620
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,919
manufacturing process

621
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,400
so they can continue the supply chain

622
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,400
but once you interrupt that two-week

623
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,600
thing

624
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,799
that globally impacts all manufacturing

625
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,000
on this planet period

626
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,480
there isn't and here's here's the thing

627
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,000
that i you know it really

628
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:42,559
burns some of us like me who through the

629
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,279
90s

630
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,919
watched america voluntarily ship its

631
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,679
entire manufacturing infrastructure to

632
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,159
china

633
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,720
that's right um i watched you know here

634
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:52,640
in rochester i watched eastman kodak go

635
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,039
poof

636
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,159
up in smoke uh but they were just one of

637
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,360
so many uh u.s manufacturers that

638
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,440
relocated overseas and

639
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,880
this was a it's explicit decision

640
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,559
actually of the george bush senior

641
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,720
presidency it was an explicit decision

642
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,480
of the bill clinton presidency

643
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,400
it was an explicit decision of the

644
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,640
george w bush and the barack obama

645
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:16,640
presidencies all of them

646
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:19,919
were explicitly shipping manufacturing

647
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,640
capabilities out of this country and

648
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,720
this it's it's on one hand you know you

649
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:26,240
can understand because companies want to

650
00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:27,200
make money and it

651
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,200
it's cheaper to hire low-priced

652
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,240
non-unionized non-protected workers in

653
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,760
another country

654
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,880
but at a certain point you know did one

655
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,640
need to go pedal to the metal

656
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,720
which is what we did and now it's gone

657
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:42,960
so the manufacturing capabilities

658
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,679
a lot of them are gone and if there's

659
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,000
one

660
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:49,200
thing that we hopefully can learn from

661
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,240
this

662
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,919
uh is that maybe more centralization is

663
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:54,799
not the answer but

664
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,000
less centralization and a return of the

665
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,400
u.s manufacturing infrastructure

666
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,440
may just be the very best thing for

667
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,159
our nation and for all nations to do the

668
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:07,840
same in the long term

669
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,200
i agree with that no i agree with that

670
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,559
and uh i had i had said this is about

671
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,440
five years ago

672
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,120
i had said that uh at one point

673
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,600
uh the united states manufactured nearly

674
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,880
all of the television

675
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:25,120
invented here right televis invented

676
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,240
here and

677
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:29,840
this five years ago

678
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:33,120
that as of today five years ago

679
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,360
there was not one not one

680
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,400
single television manufactured

681
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:43,600
in the united states and that's a hard

682
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,159
thing to

683
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,880
wrap your head around you know you think

684
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,159
about western electric

685
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,799
and telephones and these giant factories

686
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,440
that we had

687
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,200
all the way across this country like you

688
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,720
said kodak

689
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,919
huge manufacturing capabilities all of

690
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,480
it

691
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,200
is gone and maybe if there's one good

692
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,400
thing to come out of

693
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,400
coronavirus is that we can wake up and

694
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:06,240
go we got to swing this back the other

695
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,880
way

696
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:09,279
because that is not a concern yeah we

697
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,000
really need to

698
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,440
yeah um you know the nation state

699
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:15,279
i've um this is getting a little afield

700
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,559
but

701
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,720
you know there's a lot of disagreement

702
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,640
over what nationalism is these days and

703
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,720
is it a good thing or a bad thing

704
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:26,159
um i have come to feel that actually the

705
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:26,720
nation

706
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,080
state is the last line

707
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,200
of genuine let's say potential

708
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,440
sovereignty of citizens i mean after all

709
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,039
you are a citizen of the united states

710
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,039
of america and so am i

711
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:41,520
um and no it's not like we have a whole

712
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,240
lot of

713
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:44,480
control or any control over policy

714
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,520
direction

715
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:48,960
but um you know the the

716
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,919
alternative to that is a transnational

717
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,480
corporate

718
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,159
dominated system in which

719
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,039
you know in which a few banks run every

720
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,720
single thing that there is to run

721
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,520
uh through their corporations and and

722
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:05,440
there are no nations

723
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,360
um and to me that's as as insufficient a

724
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,279
line of defense maybe as a national

725
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,120
government would be it's still

726
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,720
better than having nothing in my opinion

727
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,720
and i i like the idea

728
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,120
of having a country i like the idea of

729
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,000
being a citizen

730
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:23,760
in that country and having some input

731
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,120
into how that country goes and to me

732
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,360
this is why i really strongly believe in

733
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,559
the principles

734
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,919
of every nation to be able to govern

735
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,320
itself as it chooses and

736
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,880
um i really think that the united states

737
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:40,480
policy was undermined

738
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,080
for several decades in allowing

739
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,240
key part portions of infrastructure just

740
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,159
to be shipped

741
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,200
overseas to um

742
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,320
nations that were all too willing to

743
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:54,000
have it because it was good for them but

744
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,960
it was not

745
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,720
not good for the united states i think

746
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,000
it was a big mistake

747
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,440
about three months ago i'm guessing here

748
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,880
but it was about three months ago

749
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,200
netflix came out with this series and

750
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,320
it's called pandemic it's docu-series

751
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,760
and and i i just

752
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,080
hesitate i didn't want to why i just

753
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,679
quite simply did not want to watch it i

754
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,360
didn't want the fear part

755
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,159
and then of course this happens with

756
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,679
coronavirus so

757
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,120
last week uh i watched the first two

758
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,799
episodes and then i couldn't watch it

759
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:27,840
anymore

760
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,000
it absolutely played out exactly

761
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,640
as what's happening right now the

762
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:36,240
numbers the way that they're talking

763
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,120
about it

764
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:39,279
seriously yeah yeah it's crazy you

765
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,159
should uh

766
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,840
just watch the first two episodes it's

767
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,679
too disturbing after that

768
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,279
do you remember the i never read the

769
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:46,399
book but of course there was a

770
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,440
mini-series

771
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,679
of stephen king's the stand many years

772
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,880
ago absolutely

773
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,799
absolutely read the book and saw the

774
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,240
miniseries oh yeah yeah

775
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,200
sure the book was good so well i'll

776
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,960
check out pandemic if i want to

777
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,679
have a sleepless night let's take a

778
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,120
break right here our guest tonight

779
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,120
richard bleep and dolan this is fade to

780
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,640
black i'm your host jimmy church we'll

781
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,640
be right back after this short break

782
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,679
we'll get straight into you guessed it

783
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,159
ufos is it uaps what are we doing here

784
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,600
richard is it ufos you are

785
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:18,080
a little back and forth i still like ufo

786
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,799
so do i

787
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:20,159
we'll be right back we're going to talk

788
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:27,320
flying saucers we'll be right back

789
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:38,840
[Music]

790
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:39,900
so

791
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,440
[Music]

792
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,919
all right welcome back fade to black

793
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,679
tonight richard bleep and dolan tomorrow

794
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,039
night

795
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,080
conspiracy part two with jason quit

796
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,799
we got uh two events coming up uh both

797
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,120
with uh richard dolan we've got

798
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,039
contact in the desert may 29th through

799
00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:01,120
june 1st in palm springs indian wells

800
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,080
california and go to

801
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,799
contactingthedesert.com for tickets and

802
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,600
info

803
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,520
and richard and i are also winging it

804
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:09,600
over to the united kingdom

805
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,600
uh june 26th and 27th for the awakening

806
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:14,559
conference over

807
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,080
in manchester and you can go to

808
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:19,120
awakeningufo.com for tickets and info

809
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,840
there

810
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:23,120
uh richard okay yeah let's uh let's kick

811
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
things off

812
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,760
i want to say one more thing sure one

813
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,520
more thing from last the last segment

814
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,799
sure um relating to uh

815
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,000
one of the repercussions of this

816
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,559
coronavirus i i really think it's

817
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:35,919
important to stress like we're going to

818
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,240
see

819
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,120
if this is a false flag or not i think

820
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,520
it's really a case of opportunism

821
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,360
that governments around the world will

822
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,279
take to use this virus

823
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,200
as a way to strengthen a lot of

824
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,320
centralized

825
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,320
surveillance and control laws that i'm

826
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:52,240
sure they are rubbing their hands

827
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,039
together

828
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,720
wanting to implement so i think that we

829
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,320
can expect um

830
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,000
i kind of alluded to that before but i i

831
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:59,200
just think it's an important point to

832
00:31:03,990 --> 00:30:59,840
stress

833
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,000
yeah i i'm just trying to look at this

834
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:06,559
with 3d lenses here you know i'm just

835
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,200
trying to

836
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:09,360
figure it out the the narrative that's

837
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,320
being presented

838
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,840
by the media is one thing

839
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,679
and then there is everything else that

840
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,679
is in play with these global

841
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:20,240
implications and what can be pushed into

842
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,960
play

843
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,039
because of that and i'm wondering also

844
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,120
is there a punishment issue that's

845
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:28,159
uh that's being laid down on iran and i

846
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,120
know that's going

847
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,679
far conspiracy you know going deep into

848
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:32,640
it

849
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,760
no i mean look the us has had iran in

850
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:41,679
his crosshairs for a long time

851
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:45,120
and uh look it's possible i mean we

852
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,919
don't really know all of the

853
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,039
behind-the-scenes

854
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,039
activities that are going on there so is

855
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,480
it possible that someone brought

856
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,320
intentionally brought that virus to iran

857
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,240
to spread it around hey

858
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,919
your guess is as good as mine i would

859
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,760
not rule it out but i just don't know of

860
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,200
any evidence or any

861
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,679
anything pointing to that yet no there

862
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,799
isn't there isn't

863
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,760
uh last week when i had read uh one of

864
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,600
uh comedy's uh

865
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:10,720
uh top advisors died of coronavirus

866
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,399
i was like i'm psycho man

867
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,519
oh man okay all right uh i i

868
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,720
i actually want to discuss uh

869
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,399
a subject that i've been talking about

870
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:24,880
this week and i was excited to have you

871
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,120
on to to talk about this which is

872
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,399
when how much weight do you put

873
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,880
into and it could be any it doesn't

874
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,480
matter okay i'm not talking about

875
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,760
anything specific

876
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:40,880
but how much weight do you put into

877
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:48,470
by itself yes almost almost

878
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:51,919
almost none and and and i have to ask

879
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:58,470
because because it's a form of evidence

880
00:33:04,870 --> 00:32:58,880
that

881
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:04,880
would say by itself without a story

882
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,919
um i guess one thing you could do with a

883
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
photograph

884
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,559
especially with you know contemporary

885
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:11,919
digital photography is

886
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:15,679
study the metadata so that would be

887
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:19,760
useful okay uh

888
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:23,840
you know time time stamps uh location

889
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,039
gps and so forth i mean so i'll

890
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,600
rephrase that and i will say almost

891
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,360
nothing or very little

892
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,120
photograph by itself i mean and i say

893
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:35,120
this because there are so

894
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,279
many ufo photographs that are out there

895
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,279
and you know i mean people just don't

896
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,880
know what to do with them i mean

897
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,840
every now and then you'll get a

898
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,320
photograph that gets some very good

899
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,399
analysis by someone who's technically

900
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,760
competent

901
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,399
and even that like what does that really

902
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,519
do

903
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,640
in terms of moving the conversation

904
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,000
forward so i think

905
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,960
um you know if you have a hierarchy you

906
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,279
photographs are kind of low

907
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,039
in fact i would almost say witness good

908
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,120
witness testimony is probably more

909
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,320
useful than even a photograph and in

910
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,879
this video

911
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,399
in theory there would be audio although

912
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,079
there's almost never audio there's a

913
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,399
little bit of audio of ufos not much

914
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,960
hard to know what to do with that so i

915
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,520
think what

916
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,440
you need is a combination of

917
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,040
photographic evidence

918
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,639
plus really good testimony

919
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:31,119
that can be investigated to some extent

920
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,679
i mean

921
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,000
photographs definitely have their place

922
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:35,599
but by themselves

923
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,280
i i just don't you know i would like

924
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,480
them to be more

925
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:41,919
more powerful than they are but in

926
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,440
practice there's just so many of them

927
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,879
and and it's so easy i mean it is really

928
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,560
i don't want to say easy but it's not

929
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:52,079
impossible it's not difficult to fake

930
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,480
these

931
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,240
and for a lot of people it is very easy

932
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,320
to fake them and that's why

933
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,520
and and in listening to your response

934
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,880
it's a touchy subject right it's a very

935
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,520
very touchy subject so many people

936
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,119
present their photographs

937
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,400
or they're emotionally connected

938
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,480
to some of the images out there that

939
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,160
have been there for years

940
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:16,880
and then to turn around because i'm i'm

941
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:17,200
in

942
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,599
which were polaroids uh which were taken

943
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,000
down in santa ana in the mid 60s

944
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,480
and those photographs are what brought

945
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,160
me into ufology

946
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,359
in the 60s so i'm emotionally connected

947
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,800
to those so i don't want to be anything

948
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,480
i like those photographs personally i

949
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,480
actually think that they are good

950
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,079
evidence there have been a number of

951
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,520
attempts over the years to discredit

952
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,000
those photographs and i don't

953
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,680
i don't think that they've succeeded and

954
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,200
there have been some very

955
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,520
spirited and good defenses of the

956
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,280
validity of those photographs

957
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,200
so i think that they stand that was from

958
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,480
1965

959
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
yeah yeah absolutely polaroid too as

960
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,280
well which uh

961
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,320
brings in an another element to this now

962
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,720
which leads me to my next question which

963
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,839
you started to go into

964
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,400
how much weight do you put into

965
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,880
eyewitness testimony

966
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,440
without photographs without any evidence

967
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:23,280
to back it up but all you have

968
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,280
is the eyewitness accounts

969
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,040
well we're in a judgment area here but

970
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,720
if you're doing an actual investigation

971
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,160
pretend you're a police officer or

972
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,599
pretend you're an investigator

973
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,000
that's investigating a crime you know

974
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,280
you have different types of witnesses

975
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,560
you have different types of people that

976
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,240
you're going to speak to and you

977
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:43,119
have to use your judgment like that's

978
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,000
the thing

979
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,400
this isn't like a math equation where if

980
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,920
you just have all the right

981
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,839
variables and you plug them in then it

982
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,839
spits out the right answer like

983
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:54,079
it doesn't work like that so we're in a

984
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:54,880
position where

985
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,800
we as hopefully mature intelligent

986
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,000
adults are able to assess people

987
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,880
and even that's never 100 of course but

988
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:06,800
the fact is you just do your best

989
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,000
and so when a witness when someone is a

990
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,160
witness to ufo

991
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,160
the thing that i do and i now at this

992
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,520
point i've spoken to quite a few

993
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,560
ufo witnesses um the main thing you do

994
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,000
is you listen you ask

995
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,560
hopefully relevant questions and you get

996
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,560
them to expand on it with as much detail

997
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,680
as possible

998
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:28,079
and you make your judgment in my opinion

999
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:28,800
i think

1000
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,079
a good carefully

1001
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,760
measured testimony of a witness that i

1002
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,400
that i trust okay that's saying a lot

1003
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,200
but

1004
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,920
that counts a lot more than a random

1005
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:45,280
photograph that sent my way through

1006
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:45,920
email

1007
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,000
for sure there is uh a

1008
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,359
a great example of this would be

1009
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,800
and i don't want to beleaguer this we

1010
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,480
don't have to go back and recount these

1011
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,440
events

1012
00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:59,760
but you and i saw something strange in

1013
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,040
the sky one night we're together

1014
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,960
pretty hard to explain it was a lot of

1015
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:07,280
fun there was a lot of crazy language

1016
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:07,920
that was

1017
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,079
shouted out loud as we watched yes

1018
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,359
but we didn't have pictures right all we

1019
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,040
have is our story right

1020
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,680
and when you and i go and and recount

1021
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,320
this

1022
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:25,760
uh with others well we

1023
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:28,960
want people to have open ears

1024
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,320
to what we are saying just like we need

1025
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,400
to have open ears with other witnesses

1026
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,280
because

1027
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,000
our siding has the same weight as

1028
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:40,000
somebody else and needs to be considered

1029
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:40,320
and

1030
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,079
isn't that how we need to approach this

1031
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,240
yes um although i mean in practice

1032
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,599
you know i'm sure with you as well all

1033
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,440
kinds of people will come to you with a

1034
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,720
story

1035
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,800
and i mean the reality is that not

1036
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,880
everyone has equal credibility when they

1037
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,079
when they come to you or when they come

1038
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,240
to me and that's just the reality

1039
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,760
so uh there are people who don't inspire

1040
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,280
my confidence

1041
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,720
for whatever reason and there are people

1042
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,839
who do inspire my confidence and

1043
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,359
you know i'm not going to be i'm not

1044
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,720
going to be tricked or shamed into

1045
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:14,000
saying oh everyone's equal

1046
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,440
and everyone's testimony is the same

1047
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,280
because it isn't true

1048
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,960
not everyone's testimony is of equal

1049
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:21,920
value so

1050
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:26,400
i will definitely rate certain types of

1051
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,040
witnesses

1052
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,200
as intrinsically more reliable than

1053
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
others and i suspect that we all do that

1054
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,240
having said that i mean anyone who's got

1055
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,920
a sighting no matter who they are or

1056
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,119
where they're from

1057
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,040
yeah i will listen to them and i

1058
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,880
actually always listen

1059
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,960
to um someone's uh story because i

1060
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,000
really do want to hear them all when

1061
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,119
someone comes up to me

1062
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,560
i want to know if they've seen something

1063
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,240
unusual i want to know what they

1064
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:51,440
what they've seen or experienced i'll

1065
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,079
say this

1066
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,320
most people that i've encountered no

1067
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,520
matter what their background no matter

1068
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:56,480
what their

1069
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,160
uh situation

1070
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,000
i would say most people who have ufo

1071
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,720
stories to me tend to be believable

1072
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,359
um i have encountered people who have

1073
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,520
definitely lied that i know have lied to

1074
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,720
me

1075
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,160
but they're a minority they're very

1076
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,000
small number of people in my view

1077
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,960
most people who have told me what

1078
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,680
they've told me

1079
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,839
have been on the level you know for many

1080
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,520
years i had an office where i

1081
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,359
just wrote professional resumes for

1082
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,720
people i met with

1083
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,960
thousands of people one-on-one and i sat

1084
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,160
with them i talked about their

1085
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,680
background with them

1086
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,280
i made them look good on paper you know

1087
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,880
with hopefully within the boundaries of

1088
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,680
truth

1089
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:36,240
and they would see the one of my walls

1090
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,880
which was

1091
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,720
filled with ufo books and conspiracy

1092
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,480
books and so

1093
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,520
lots of people hundreds hundreds

1094
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:46,720
would volunteer their ufo sightings to

1095
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,960
me

1096
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,760
i didn't ask for them and i would have

1097
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,280
to say like the vast

1098
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,520
vast majority of those people were

1099
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,960
totally believable and

1100
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,560
i think you or anyone listening would

1101
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,079
believe those people as readily as i did

1102
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,319
when you hear their stories

1103
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,400
some had a lot of detail some did not

1104
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,000
have a lot of detail

1105
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,720
but overall i would say that they were

1106
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:08,400
credible individuals

1107
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,160
what do we do with uh

1108
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,599
uh an eyewitness

1109
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,160
maybe even an author of their account or

1110
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,000
whatever i'm just being very

1111
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:23,599
uh broad here that

1112
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,119
their story changes

1113
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,160
and gets more elaborate and you go and

1114
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:31,520
you

1115
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,440
back and say

1116
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,760
wait a minute the story's a little bit

1117
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:41,200
different today than it was

1118
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:45,280
back then i don't know what to do with

1119
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,920
this now

1120
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,480
and this happens to a red flag right

1121
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,839
it's a huge red flag

1122
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:52,160
it is now does it mean that the whole

1123
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,280
story is false

1124
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:56,000
it might i mean you know it all depends

1125
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,319
on

1126
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,119
the specifics but uh it could mean that

1127
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,280
they just like the attention

1128
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,920
and they are getting attention and they

1129
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,520
feel important

1130
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,160
the reality is that people often do feel

1131
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,119
important

1132
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,079
and they like it yeah exactly and at

1133
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,520
that point

1134
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,400
do you check out you know what i mean do

1135
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,079
you just back off on

1136
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,839
and on your your connection or your

1137
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,800
usually yeah yeah like if i find that

1138
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,480
someone does that

1139
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,960
if they if they do anything that's going

1140
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:29,520
to make me

1141
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,160
doubt the 100 percent absolute sincerity

1142
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,839
of what they're telling me i'm probably

1143
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,760
going to be gone i probably just won't

1144
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:38,960
waste my time

1145
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,400
i i find myself doing that and in a lot

1146
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,160
of ways i feel people yeah

1147
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,200
i feel heartbroken too as well because i

1148
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,960
have invested time

1149
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:52,000
and uh maybe even so much when they when

1150
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,280
they come up to

1151
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,640
a ufo researcher let alone someone who

1152
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,480
has a high public profile

1153
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,359
like you do or like i do who is busy i

1154
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,040
mean that's the reality so when

1155
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,520
and people still will come up to me and

1156
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,079
they will

1157
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:09,440
want my time because they have a story

1158
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,160
that they they

1159
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,359
need to tell me they feel and it's tough

1160
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,400
for me like it's

1161
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,359
really hard for me they have i don't

1162
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,800
think people realize

1163
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,079
the thousands and thousands of attempts

1164
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,880
that i get to reach me all the time and

1165
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,720
i'm sure this is the case with you

1166
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,119
so now having said that i still want to

1167
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,319
hear a good

1168
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,760
ufo account so i'm

1169
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:36,079
i'm always willing to listen but if if

1170
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,359
someone

1171
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,680
is jerking me around even the slightest

1172
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,560
or

1173
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,960
uh the thing that actually uh will

1174
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,560
actually turn me away if someone

1175
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,880
someone who comes to me and says you

1176
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,680
need to hear

1177
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,880
this i have solved this element of your

1178
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,000
of this mystery

1179
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,160
and you need to hear my solution uh

1180
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,920
that's a really sure way

1181
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,280
to get me just to walk in the other

1182
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,760
direction like i don't have time for

1183
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,480
that

1184
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,920
well i was just going to tell you i've

1185
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,599
got it all figured out did you want to

1186
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,119
hear

1187
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,880
not really

1188
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:11,760
oh man and you have it all figured out

1189
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:12,319
yeah

1190
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,040
now okay and the reason why i'm setting

1191
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,960
all of this up there's a lot to discuss

1192
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,079
tonight

1193
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:25,680
and and and moving in this direction

1194
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,720
uh you are uh not only a ufo historian

1195
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:33,040
but you're a world historian you're an

1196
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,480
international historian

1197
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,760
uh the united states in history that

1198
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,240
is what makes you tick you go back and

1199
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,560
you look at the historical record

1200
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:45,040
not only in ufos but then you correlate

1201
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,599
that

1202
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,800
of the

1203
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,560
questions yeah that's your obsession and

1204
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,240
that's one of the things that

1205
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,640
uh we admire about you is because you

1206
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,800
can uh connect these dots and you've got

1207
00:45:06,630 --> 00:44:57,280
a

1208
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,640
setting this up

1209
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,480
you can't others out there going back

1210
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,680
you know 15 20 30 40 years

1211
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,680
you can't change your story there are

1212
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,599
people out there that remember the past

1213
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:19,359
there are people out there that study

1214
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:20,560
history

1215
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,200
and once you falter or waver

1216
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,839
people will check out and people will

1217
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,520
start to look the other way

1218
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,280
and and i think that's what's important

1219
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,319
here and i'm bringing this up because

1220
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,319
of uh some of the things that you are

1221
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,079
focusing on now

1222
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:41,200
is you are looking at the past you are

1223
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,000
looking at

1224
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,319
previous cases in the historical record

1225
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,319
that you think are important that may

1226
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,839
have been lost in time

1227
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,280
and you're starting to bring that

1228
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,599
forward oh yeah

1229
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,359
and so you're checking out our youtube

1230
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,359
channel and

1231
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,640
well you know i'm always i'm always uh

1232
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,160
i'm always the uh the the dolan stalker

1233
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,839
you know i mean i'm in the background

1234
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:05,760
yeah yeah yeah i i do that

1235
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,040
but but why for you are you

1236
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,480
bringing these uh cases from the past

1237
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,800
forward now into the community what's

1238
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,240
what's the intention here

1239
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,079
couple of things going on here yeah so

1240
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:20,640
like for example tracy and i just did a

1241
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,319
live stream uh yesterday on

1242
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,880
some of the old crash retrieval stories

1243
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,160
brought out by the late leonard

1244
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:29,359
stringfield

1245
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,560
back in the 1970s and they're

1246
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,000
really important so there's a couple of

1247
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:35,839
reasons a i mean it's

1248
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,000
my obsession with and respect for

1249
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,960
uh the past of ufology like i have a

1250
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,560
very high regard for those people they

1251
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,680
were pioneers

1252
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,960
and the work that they've done it just

1253
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,720
seems to me that no one else really is

1254
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,680
talking about them

1255
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,280
like i don't hear anyone talking about

1256
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:53,440
leonard stringfield and to me that's a

1257
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,319
shame

1258
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,960
uh his work was so important to the

1259
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:57,839
development and

1260
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,599
of the study of ufos and particularly

1261
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,520
the whole understanding of what crash

1262
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,200
retrievals of ufos

1263
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:07,760
are all about and that gets me to that

1264
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,839
whole thing

1265
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,240
i have come to believe

1266
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:15,920
that understanding

1267
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,280
you know that these objects have come

1268
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:22,079
down and have been retrieved and have

1269
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,559
been

1270
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:25,359
studied is of such absolute paramount

1271
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,319
significance

1272
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,160
and yes ufo researchers have been

1273
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,760
talking about this for a long time

1274
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,359
but here we are now in the era of

1275
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,440
organizations like ttsa and

1276
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,319
look there's a great deal of support

1277
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,079
that i have given them and will continue

1278
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,440
to give them because i

1279
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,319
believe in the work that they are doing

1280
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,079
but when you continue to put out

1281
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,599
this convenient fiction of oh well we

1282
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,240
don't know what these objects are

1283
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,839
they could be any anyone's they could be

1284
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:53,920
chinese for all we know or russian

1285
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,800
uh then i'm then i'm going to call bs

1286
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,760
and

1287
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,599
we all know that that's what no one

1288
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,079
believes no one believes that

1289
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,520
they don't believe it and no one else

1290
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,559
believes it and the real situation is

1291
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:08,800
that these objects have been recovered

1292
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,000
and that's the unspoken open secret

1293
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,520
it's such an open secret that it's not

1294
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,200
even a secret anymore

1295
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,880
so i think that understanding that

1296
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,880
there's a reality to these

1297
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,440
recoveries of these ufos is critically

1298
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,400
important

1299
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,800
and when tracy and i did a thing on

1300
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,839
stringfield

1301
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,359
yet again we've actually done a few on

1302
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,440
stringfield um

1303
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,079
i feel it's really important the

1304
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,559
excellent testimonies that he

1305
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,839
obtained in the 1970s and 80s are of

1306
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,720
paramount importance and i just don't

1307
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:42,240
want people to forget them so i think

1308
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:42,640
it's

1309
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,400
on the youtube show to get into it and i

1310
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,079
was really happy that we did

1311
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:50,079
the one last night i was very pleased

1312
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,200
with it

1313
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,720
i do a lot of this type of thing like i

1314
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:55,200
really think bringing out these old

1315
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,240
cases

1316
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,960
is very important and one other reason

1317
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:00,880
that i like these old cases

1318
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,240
because we've got a pretty good idea

1319
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,520
of you know leading edge technology of

1320
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:09,520
say 1915.

1321
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,800
i mean relatively you know it's been 60

1322
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,359
70 years since then and so when you've

1323
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,720
got stories of objects

1324
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:19,920
instantly accelerating back then and

1325
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,960
traveling at multiple thousands of miles

1326
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,920
per hour

1327
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,400
back then uh some of which looked kind

1328
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,160
of like a tic tac

1329
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:30,480
uh back in 1950 then we've got a real

1330
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,520
problem to deal with

1331
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,319
so we've got historical cases that are

1332
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,000
so difficult like it's one thing to say

1333
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,359
oh black budget

1334
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:40,720
you know advanced tech in 2020 or

1335
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,640
even 2004 but to say in 1950 that we had

1336
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,760
things that were

1337
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,599
moving in such a way that's a real

1338
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,880
stretch so that for me makes the old ufo

1339
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,000
reports

1340
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,680
really important for us to understand

1341
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,520
and to recognize that the the people who

1342
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,960
are making those reports

1343
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:59,599
who are observing these things often did

1344
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,160
it with

1345
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:02,880
highly sophisticated instrumentation and

1346
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,200
were

1347
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,280
outstanding witnesses in their own right

1348
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:07,440
so that's why i think those early cases

1349
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,400
are important and i

1350
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,640
i just don't think it's wise to let them

1351
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,839
go and a lot of the research if not

1352
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,119
all of it was done

1353
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:20,480
uh in the physical analog sense right

1354
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,599
where you are you're traveling

1355
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,280
you have to go on site you have to

1356
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,599
interview witnesses firsthand

1357
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,200
obviously you're not jumping on the

1358
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:30,720
internet and

1359
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,839
and doing so no you have to go

1360
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,040
and get the research done and it's it's

1361
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,319
bonafide is is is the analog word

1362
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,720
that i'm looking for here because that's

1363
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,119
what you get from these old cases

1364
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,240
yeah yeah exactly so no they did uh

1365
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:50,079
there's a lot of legwork and groundwork

1366
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,359
one thing that you find when you look at

1367
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,520
these old ufo organizations like nycap

1368
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,359
or apro

1369
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,839
is they actually were really well

1370
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,640
staffed

1371
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:01,280
there was a lot of a lot of volunteers

1372
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,160
engaging

1373
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,520
in this type of research at the time

1374
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,559
i mean there's mufon today but

1375
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,800
i really get the sense that these

1376
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,200
organizations of the 50s and 60s

1377
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,920
i think have more people actively on the

1378
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,720
ground

1379
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,760
doing genuine investigation of ufo cases

1380
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,640
probably than we have today and i i did

1381
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:23,680
the same thing

1382
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,280
uh while i still do it but uh

1383
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,599
growing up you know 30 years ago 40

1384
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,559
years ago

1385
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,760
when i was going through as much ufo

1386
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,319
documentation as i could find

1387
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,599
um i would go and look at these

1388
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:42,640
old crash retrieval cases and stories

1389
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,160
uh around the country knowing that uh

1390
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,319
and even if you go back far enough i

1391
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,680
hadn't even heard of

1392
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,800
roswell at one point it hadn't surfaced

1393
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,359
yet

1394
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,400
yeah and uh but there was these other

1395
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,920
cases that you can go

1396
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,800
and read about uh about crash retrievals

1397
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,240
and people that were speaking

1398
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,559
about it and i was completely intrigued

1399
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,240
you and i were talking about this a

1400
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,240
couple of weeks ago on the phone

1401
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,960
yeah yeah bouncing these uh old cases

1402
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,240
back and forth

1403
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:15,280
and i have uh and still you know a

1404
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,920
genuine

1405
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,520
interest on these and i think there's a

1406
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,040
lot of importance there

1407
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,160
and they have been uh

1408
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,559
forgotten and i i can't believe that i'm

1409
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,319
using these words but

1410
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,480
let me just add this you know we all

1411
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,920
know about roswell

1412
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,359
and it's funny people say i'm sick and

1413
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,040
tired of hearing about roswell

1414
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:36,000
um i think you know the reason that we

1415
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,280
talk about roswell so much

1416
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:39,280
is that it really was an anomaly it was

1417
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,319
an anomaly not that

1418
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,720
an object came down it was an anomaly

1419
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:44,559
that it was reported

1420
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,240
at all in the media when it happened

1421
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,240
and yes it was retracted right away but

1422
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,599
it was reported

1423
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,440
and that's actually that makes roswell

1424
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,880
different from every other crash

1425
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,720
retrieval that you can think about

1426
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,160
the fact is it looks like there have

1427
00:53:00,549 --> 00:53:00,000
been many crash retrievals and this is

1428
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,559
why

1429
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,559
i think stringfield's work was so

1430
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,760
important

1431
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,160
um you know for about 15 years he was

1432
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:07,920
quite active in in ferreting these

1433
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,200
out until the early 90s and there seems

1434
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,480
to have been a lot of them and people

1435
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:14,240
are incredulous why would ufos crash

1436
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,720
they

1437
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,559
fly all the way here from another galaxy

1438
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,760
well maybe they're not flying from

1439
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,960
another galaxy

1440
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,200
maybe they live here and maybe they've

1441
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,800
got their own infrastructure

1442
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,280
here maybe sometimes they go off world

1443
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,640
yes i think that's true

1444
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,319
but maybe they've got a lot going on

1445
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,760
here and they go from one underground

1446
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,599
mountain facility to another

1447
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:34,319
and who the heck knows i mean it could

1448
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,040
be that

1449
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,640
there is a secret war going on it could

1450
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,400
be that there's shoot downs occurring

1451
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,559
it could be that there are other kinds

1452
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,000
of problems that we are not aware

1453
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,319
of it's very likely that they're not

1454
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,680
infallible

1455
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,119
and so yes they have come down and

1456
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,280
i don't think that they're coming down

1457
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,800
in from deep space i think they're

1458
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,960
coming down from one location on earth

1459
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,839
on their way to another let's uh take

1460
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,599
our break right here richard stay right

1461
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,359
there this is fade to black i

1462
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:03,359
am your host jimmy church that's right

1463
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,400
tonight it's richard

1464
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,160
bleep and dolan will continue the

1465
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:08,319
conversation right after this short

1466
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,359
break stay with us

1467
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:12,640
on the game changer network and kgra

1468
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:24,890
the planet stay with us

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00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:51,280
[Music]

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00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,030
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,599
jimmy church tonight

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00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,760
richard dolan is with us we'll pick up

1473
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,359
the conversation in a second but

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00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,480
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my god man that's a lot of shows

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00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,640
that's a lot of hours that is a lot of

1484
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,720
hours you know seriously jimmy

1485
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,599
well done that's a lot of work and you

1486
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,000
deserve

1487
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,319
the success you do a great interview not

1488
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:38,000
just of me but everyone who goes on your

1489
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,640
show

1490
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,400
i think you you have this knack of

1491
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,480
getting really interesting and good

1492
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,760
information out of them

1493
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,079
and boy do i know like you you get

1494
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,760
things out of me that no one else does

1495
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,680
in terms of interviews like you just get

1496
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,280
me to talk about things that

1497
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:53,119
i would never discuss anywhere else now

1498
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,589
well now you have 30 minutes to go yeah

1499
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,920
oh man richard don't make me don't make

1500
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:06,720
me do it

1501
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,440
okay okay let's

1502
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,720
if only if only we we would disclose

1503
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,319
uh the events of today in our

1504
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:18,720
conversation but nonetheless

1505
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:21,760
um we were talking a couple of weeks ago

1506
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:25,280
uh about crash retrievals and

1507
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,799
uh during that conversation uh i after

1508
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,720
i hung up the phone and and we talked

1509
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,480
for quite a bit actually

1510
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,559
and after i hung up the phone our

1511
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,160
conversation

1512
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,640
continued in my head but actually and

1513
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,480
you actually texted me

1514
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,880
after that to continue the conversation

1515
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,319
via text

1516
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,280
and uh but this is this was the weird

1517
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,799
thing i'm going to lay this out there

1518
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:49,359
for you

1519
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,799
um is this i had mentioned to you

1520
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:54,079
because we were talking about crash

1521
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,119
retrievals

1522
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,559
and i said that's interesting that you

1523
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,319
bring that up richard because

1524
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:01,359
last month on the show jacques valet

1525
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,359
was on and jacques mentioned in passing

1526
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,839
as i asked him to reveal some ultimate

1527
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,240
secret before he leaves planet earth

1528
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,640
what that would be and one of the things

1529
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,520
that he said and he just slipped it in

1530
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:18,480
was that well you know first thing is uh

1531
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:19,359
of course

1532
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:22,799
our government has uh uh

1533
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,480
retrieved crashed craft and then he

1534
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,599
continued on

1535
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,760
uh with with the sentence and it stopped

1536
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,599
me dead in my tracks

1537
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,280
and never before to my memory

1538
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,160
um has jacques ever said anything like

1539
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,359
this directly

1540
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,720
many have pushed him for you know some

1541
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,559
type of direct response

1542
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:47,040
but there there there was he laid it out

1543
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:47,599
there

1544
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,200
but this is what is curious to me

1545
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:53,839
we've been going through the wilson

1546
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,480
davis

1547
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,160
documents and and uh observing these

1548
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,960
looking at the text and and picking

1549
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,400
through this it's a very

1550
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,200
interesting document that is real and

1551
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:06,720
one of the focuses

1552
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,720
on this document is crash retrievals

1553
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,760
and primary focus right and after we

1554
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,280
hung up and i started to think about

1555
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:16,319
this

1556
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,319
where we

1557
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,000
are able to connect the dots and for you

1558
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:26,720
after i you know spoke to you about

1559
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,599
jacques

1560
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,079
and we were also talking about the the

1561
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,359
wilson davis dock

1562
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:33,359
uh did you also come to that same

1563
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,400
conclusion

1564
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,920
you know when you hear something like

1565
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,240
that from jacques uh what goes through

1566
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,760
your mind when we're talking about crash

1567
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,880
retrievals

1568
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,559
well here's the thing we shot valet is

1569
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,000
in the same crowd as

1570
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,720
all the other people who have also

1571
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,480
talked about the validity and reality of

1572
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:49,680
crash retrievals

1573
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,200
from eric davis to uh pal put off

1574
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,440
talking about the meta material that's

1575
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,280
i'm not saying it's extraterrestrial but

1576
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,559
let's just say it's extraterrestrial

1577
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,520
like that whole thing

1578
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,200
which is what he has done when he's

1579
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,040
talked about that to people like robert

1580
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:04,160
bigelow

1581
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,599
uh who has absolutely he hasn't

1582
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,920
explicitly talked about crash retrievals

1583
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,040
although he he's

1584
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,680
known to house the various artifacts but

1585
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,280
bigelow has been very upfront about

1586
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,400
the reality of et here on earth

1587
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,559
uh the late edgar mitchell with whom i

1588
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,559
personally spoke

1589
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,040
uh about crash retrievals and the

1590
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,440
acquisition of alien bodies like

1591
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,599
so they're all part of the same group

1592
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,440
valet is part of

1593
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,680
that they're all close friends they've

1594
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,559
all had

1595
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,079
uh different types of security

1596
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,400
clearances you can count dr kit green in

1597
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,559
with that as well like they're all

1598
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,079
they've all made different types of

1599
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:43,680
statements

1600
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,680
all right but um you know they're all

1601
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:50,240
very much along the same piece uh that

1602
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,440
this reality

1603
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:54,160
that that crash retrievals are a reality

1604
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,799
so

1605
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,640
in that sense it is not a surprise to me

1606
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,480
at all that jack valet would say

1607
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,640
the only surprise is that yes he's gone

1608
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,599
he went a little bit

1609
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,839
further now in actually saying this

1610
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,799
publicly but

1611
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,799
there's no question in my mind that he's

1612
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:08,319
known this for a long while

1613
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,680
absolutely not it's an open secret and

1614
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,839
i want these people to come out more and

1615
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,119
i don't think that they will

1616
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,440
i've actually tried prodding them myself

1617
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,160
and

1618
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,920
do we what do we do with that richard

1619
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,960
i mean the not to be morose all right i

1620
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,079
don't want to

1621
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:29,680
have that vibe on this broadcast

1622
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,400
but the cycle of life is part of nature

1623
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:33,680
and it's reality

1624
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:36,559
okay that's just the way that it is yep

1625
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,960
right

1626
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,640
walking here forever all those people

1627
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,319
are getting on that's right

1628
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,319
that's right mitchell's already gone we

1629
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,839
lost him a couple of years ago and he's

1630
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,440
one of them so

1631
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,920
they they have known something that's

1632
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:49,920
very important the problem is

1633
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,119
they've all got significant

1634
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,280
security clearances or at least most of

1635
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,400
them do and

1636
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,520
um and so the things that they know they

1637
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,680
absolutely do not feel that they're able

1638
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,880
to talk about this

1639
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,240
without blowing their security

1640
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:06,480
clearances and they're not willing to do

1641
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:06,799
that

1642
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,799
like for them to do it but

1643
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,880
uh you know you can't force these people

1644
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,240
to and

1645
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,920
wilson's never going to own up to that

1646
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,240
document eric davis

1647
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,720
should own up to it but he hasn't yet

1648
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,839
maybe he will

1649
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,400
i can tell you this there's some very

1650
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,599
excellent

1651
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,680
uh quiet research being done on this

1652
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,280
right now like this is not

1653
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,920
over in this document and you know the

1654
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,319
thing is everyone who's looked into it

1655
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,119
with half a brain knows that it's real

1656
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,319
knows that it's legitimate

1657
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,000
knows it was a genuine conversation

1658
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,480
between eric davis and thomas wilson

1659
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,280
in which admiral wilson said to him back

1660
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:46,559
in 2002

1661
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:49,599
yes i tried and failed to get access to

1662
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,400
the et

1663
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,480
reverse engineering program i was denied

1664
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,680
access by three

1665
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,240
the three gatekeepers that is the

1666
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,920
managers of the

1667
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,559
private corporations special access

1668
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,520
program

1669
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,880
under the protection of the us

1670
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:04,880
government yeah all that i failed

1671
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,839
that it was a an intact flying saucer

1672
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:12,079
they said to me that it was way way

1673
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,039
beyond us

1674
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:15,039
and they said to me that progress was

1675
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,559
painfully slow and understanding in all

1676
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:17,920
of this

1677
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,400
so that conversation happened now we can

1678
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,240
argue over the details of

1679
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,240
did wilson get it all right did the

1680
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,599
people he was talking to

1681
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,599
tell him everything that was true or did

1682
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:29,039
they lie to him in certain things or

1683
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,520
whatever

1684
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,839
oh that's fair but the fact that davis

1685
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,599
and wilson had this conversation

1686
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,520
i don't think any rational person can

1687
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,960
doubt that at this point

1688
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:40,160
and as i say there is very good

1689
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,319
and serious work being done on this

1690
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,400
right now so i think there'll be much

1691
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:49,359
much more for people to chew on

1692
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:53,200
before much longer why did the

1693
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,839
i i i we need to circle back because i

1694
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:57,520
want to

1695
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:00,839
finish your statement there but why

1696
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,160
hasn't the mainstream media

1697
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,359
like fox picked up on

1698
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:10,319
the the wilson davis document like they

1699
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:10,720
have

1700
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:14,640
on on other very significant things

1701
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,520
lately and

1702
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,319
this document comes along and it's

1703
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:19,920
largely ignored

1704
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:22,799
fox has come much farther along than any

1705
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,280
of the

1706
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,520
the other national networks uh certainly

1707
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,200
farther than cnn or

1708
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,599
msnbc or the others like the fox with

1709
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,160
tucker carlson has actually gone

1710
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,640
much farther and has had a much more

1711
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,720
adult level conversation about

1712
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,319
this than anyone else i mean it was

1713
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,480
carlson who actually got louise elizondo

1714
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,079
to say on national tv

1715
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,680
that there were crash retrievals in the

1716
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:45,039
in the possession of the us government

1717
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,000
of ufos

1718
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,559
what was our unbelievable statement at

1719
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,319
the very end of may of 2019.

1720
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,200
sure it's astonishing sure but so which

1721
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,720
are you suggesting that

1722
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,520
if ttsa had released the wilson davis

1723
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,200
docks then there would be attention paid

1724
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,680
to it by tucker carlson

1725
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,400
and i'm being very serious yes i'm being

1726
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,240
very serious in that statement

1727
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,760
i think i think he probably would

1728
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,000
actually uh that's a good question

1729
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:12,640
i don't know for sure but the problem

1730
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,440
with the wilson

1731
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,200
davis document at this point is that

1732
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:19,440
wilson's not owning it and davis is not

1733
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:20,480
owning it

1734
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,680
so and and the media is just

1735
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,000
there they don't want the hassle i mean

1736
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,520
the media

1737
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,640
is what part of our major media is

1738
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,119
really about reporting genuine news

1739
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:35,599
i mean really what part of it a tiny

1740
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:36,480
part maybe

1741
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,079
some of it relating to this subject

1742
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:43,920
of ufos they have moved a long way it's

1743
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,400
true

1744
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:46,400
like they've moved to a direction in the

1745
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,440
last two years

1746
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,680
that i think all of us are astonished by

1747
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,359
where they they've come to

1748
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,920
but most of the media has really kind of

1749
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,280
stopped on this or they've

1750
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,480
really it's this down to

1751
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:01,440
kind of semi-major semi-mainstream you

1752
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,760
know

1753
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,599
articles and popular mechanics yes

1754
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,119
that's valuable

1755
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,599
um not a lot of national tv coverage

1756
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:08,960
though some

1757
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,240
mostly on carlson's show not much else

1758
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:15,119
so i think the wilson davis document

1759
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:16,400
once

1760
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,480
a major analytical study

1761
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,960
is able to come out on this which i

1762
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,559
think it will

1763
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:27,520
because i am aware of this then i think

1764
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,079
that

1765
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,400
it is very likely to get some media

1766
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:32,000
attention but that may not be enough

1767
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,880
either

1768
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,039
i mean never underestimate the power of

1769
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,280
the corporate media establishment to

1770
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:40,000
try to bury anything they're always good

1771
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,559
at that

1772
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,640
so we'll see uh it's a different

1773
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,240
attitude now with ufos

1774
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,720
or uap than it used to be but still it's

1775
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:48,400
a very limited sort of a thing

1776
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,760
i mean they're still in kindergarten

1777
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,680
level here you know we're still at the

1778
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:52,640
point where

1779
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,760
they are have this fiction of of

1780
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:57,359
not knowing necessarily what these

1781
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,720
things are that the government's

1782
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,839
scratching its head

1783
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,599
and not knowing what it is and and

1784
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,200
that's just absolute nonsense

1785
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,960
so anyone who's looked at this subject

1786
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:06,400
long and long

1787
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,520
long enough realizes that the united

1788
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:10,799
states military

1789
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,160
and deep deep clandestine

1790
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,400
special access programs that are what i

1791
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,319
call legal illegality

1792
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:21,119
in their structure they have got this

1793
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:22,720
and and the problem that we have

1794
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:26,319
though is is getting at this technology

1795
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,119
now

1796
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:29,200
it looks to me when you study the the

1797
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:30,559
wilson davis notes

1798
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:34,079
that document what becomes clear is that

1799
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:38,319
even among us government responsible us

1800
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:39,520
government

1801
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,599
military officials it's not clear

1802
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,960
who really has access to this

1803
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:46,640
information more than the

1804
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:49,839
smallest handful of individuals

1805
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:53,599
and and that the power over this is not

1806
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,799
within the government

1807
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,200
anyway the power over this is actually

1808
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,039
appears to be within private industry

1809
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,559
because guess what that's where the

1810
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:02,960
money is that's where the brain power is

1811
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:05,839
that's where the scientists are and so

1812
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,559
and and

1813
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,079
also when when the secret is privatized

1814
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,319
like it is then it's much more

1815
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,160
impervious to freedom of information

1816
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:17,119
requests so it it's win-win for those

1817
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,000
guys

1818
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,760
and that is the problem that we as a

1819
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:21,119
society have now

1820
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:24,640
is how do we find a way to break through

1821
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,119
that

1822
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,319
legal illegality because it is morally

1823
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,400
and constitutionally illegal

1824
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,640
but they've got this legal veneer of

1825
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:33,680
protection

1826
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,720
over their secrecy

1827
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,400
they're profiting off of immensely

1828
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:41,200
that's right and when you are

1829
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:45,760
again not to be morose but if you are 75

1830
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:48,640
or 80 years old and you're sitting on

1831
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,839
uh real information yeah

1832
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,240
who gives a crap about an nda or a

1833
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:56,480
security oath at that point

1834
01:08:03,190 --> 01:07:59,680
you know i mean i i've actually

1835
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,200
i've raised this issue all right and uh

1836
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:04,799
i got nowhere with it

1837
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:07,359
i've raised it i get nowhere and the

1838
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,480
answer is

1839
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,079
well i don't really even get a full

1840
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,000
answer it's just like no

1841
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,799
can't do it so now one time i had a

1842
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,199
communication with edgar mitchell

1843
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,679
about 14 years ago in fact it was in the

1844
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,359
aftermath of when i first

1845
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,239
learned about the wilson davis notes so

1846
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:26,319
that was in late 06

1847
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:29,440
when that happened so 14 almost 14 years

1848
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:29,839
ago

1849
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,880
and uh i asked edgar mitchell like to

1850
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,319
just throw me a bone here

1851
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,719
essentially i said look you've i know

1852
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,159
you told me you like the work that i do

1853
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:40,000
so if you like the work i do can you

1854
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,359
help me a little bit

1855
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,159
in giving me some guidance as to how you

1856
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,359
have learned

1857
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,199
about the existence of alien bodies in

1858
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:50,319
alien tech which you told me about

1859
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,000
can you point me in a direction can you

1860
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:54,480
give me a name and he and he said to me

1861
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:57,520
the people who came to me

1862
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,199
did so at great risk professionally

1863
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,560
personally and to their families

1864
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,719
and i cannot get reveal their identities

1865
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:07,679
as long as they're alive

1866
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,400
that's exactly what he said to me so

1867
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,719
that implies

1868
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,679
you know these ndas it's it's not simply

1869
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:17,759
they'll throw you into leavenworth

1870
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,480
there are other repercussions that these

1871
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,759
people are worried about

1872
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,960
and that might include risk to their

1873
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:24,799
families and no matter how old you are

1874
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,839
if you're 75 or 85 it doesn't matter if

1875
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,600
someone's threatening your family if

1876
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,679
if that is so i don't know but if that

1877
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,279
were the case that would be enough

1878
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,080
to sway most people to play ball well

1879
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:38,719
maybe you and i can help sway them by

1880
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,199
just

1881
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:42,319
suggesting this thought which is

1882
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:45,600
do you want your legacy to be the guy

1883
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,000
that

1884
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,920
to the grave

1885
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:52,960
or do you want your legacy to be that

1886
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,960
you you brought this you changed history

1887
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,320
right that you brought this to the

1888
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,560
planet i know i know but the thing is

1889
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,400
well there's another possibility

1890
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,480
which is that they they really may not

1891
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,679
have all the answers

1892
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:07,360
like i'm speaking of the people

1893
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,800
connected to the bigelow group

1894
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:11,280
ttsa and so forth like my sense and this

1895
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,480
is only my sense so

1896
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,159
i don't want anyone to misunderstand me

1897
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,600
here is that

1898
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:18,080
they they know a lot they've had a lot

1899
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,440
that's confirmed

1900
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:21,440
but it's quite possible that they're not

1901
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:24,000
at the level of holy grail either

1902
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,520
and it could very well be that these

1903
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,760
people want greater access

1904
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,840
and that you know maybe they're thinking

1905
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,120
if they play their cards right they'll

1906
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,400
get that access

1907
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,560
you know there's always more like when

1908
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,719
you're in that game

1909
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,040
you you never have enough and if you

1910
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,960
don't have everything you want more

1911
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,560
so it's quite possible that that's a

1912
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,400
motivation for some of these people

1913
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:46,320
i really don't know like i learned some

1914
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:47,520
things and there's

1915
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:50,560
a lot that that i don't know

1916
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:54,320
well i know that uh you you support ttsa

1917
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,280
in their efforts

1918
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:58,159
uh to the stars academy i support the

1919
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,040
release of

1920
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,480
genuine ufo data and and they have done

1921
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,440
more in that regard than most

1922
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:07,040
organizations and people have done in a

1923
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,480
long time so yeah

1924
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:11,600
but it also i mean do you think that

1925
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,560
do you think that they've run out of gas

1926
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,760
that they might have missed an

1927
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,840
opportunity here

1928
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,560
when this momentum was what it was and

1929
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,400
it was tremendous especially we go back

1930
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,760
two years ago

1931
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,239
and it was a different world man it was

1932
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,840
it was a lot of fun

1933
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,679
their game is to work with uh members of

1934
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,360
congress and the government so

1935
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,719
i don't know how good their momentum was

1936
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,440
back then their momentum with the ufo

1937
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,440
community was pretty good but

1938
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,360
you know how significant and influential

1939
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:41,040
is the ufo community is a really good

1940
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,000
question to ask

1941
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,840
have they run out of gas that's a

1942
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,920
definite possibility and they'll

1943
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,840
i think some of those members would be

1944
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:49,280
right on board to tell you that same

1945
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,840
thing

1946
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,520
like they you know they got

1947
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:56,640
a couple of videos released that was a

1948
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:57,120
nice

1949
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,440
those three videos out

1950
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,159
um and then the you know the navy

1951
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,880
encounters of 2014 2015

1952
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,960
which they clearly had a lot to do with

1953
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,000
that

1954
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,880
those were really significant um the

1955
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,560
question is

1956
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,480
can they pull any of the rabbits out of

1957
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,600
the hat or

1958
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,640
because what you have within the

1959
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,480
pentagon it's obvious to me i don't know

1960
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,239
how many other people is obvious to

1961
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:24,000
is that there's a war going on within

1962
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:25,280
the pentagon over this

1963
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,640
or let's just say a skirmish where tdsa

1964
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,920
has had their supporters and they have

1965
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:31,280
their enemies

1966
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,840
you've seen this all throughout 2019 and

1967
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,440
some of the various pentagon statements

1968
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,600
against louise elizondo for example

1969
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,280
he wasn't part of a tip in all of this

1970
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,520
nonsense none of which was true

1971
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:46,239
but but there was a concerted effort

1972
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,199
against him

1973
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,920
that much was obvious so it's a power

1974
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,880
play that's going

1975
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,400
on there so clearly there are people

1976
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,400
within the pentagon who support

1977
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,159
some effort to get this information out

1978
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,000
and why wouldn't there be by the way

1979
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:00,320
and there would also be factions to

1980
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,120
oppose it

1981
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,120
and why wouldn't there be those so i

1982
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,040
think that's what we're seeing and

1983
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,920
it's entirely possible that you know

1984
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,520
three four years from now we'll all look

1985
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,320
back and

1986
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:12,719
and say remember when ttsa was out there

1987
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,239
going full guns

1988
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,840
and everyone was throwing rotten

1989
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:18,000
tomatoes at them telling them to get out

1990
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,880
of town

1991
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,640
like that's what the conversation will

1992
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:26,709
right and it could it be that it it

1993
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:30,560
is a genuine miss opportunity on ttsa

1994
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:33,760
ttsa's part to not only keep their foot

1995
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:34,560
on the gas

1996
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,400
but if they've got another situation

1997
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,560
like the tick tock what can they do what

1998
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,520
that's what i'm saying

1999
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:44,719
usually they have nothing left

2000
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,600
that's what i'm saying yeah it's like

2001
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:49,040
keeping your foot on the gas like if

2002
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,360
you're

2003
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,280
able to but so they've got this deal

2004
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,960
with the army now which is studying the

2005
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,640
meta material

2006
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:57,280
um i think that's interesting actually

2007
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,640
and we don't know i don't know all the

2008
01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:00,080
details of that like

2009
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,440
if the army finds something else of

2010
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,440
national security importance are they

2011
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:04,480
just going to be able to take the meta

2012
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,280
material away

2013
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,640
like who knows maybe but

2014
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,880
what you clearly can see they're trying

2015
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:13,679
to do is they're trying to find a lab

2016
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,719
that can that can generate the proper

2017
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:18,800
type of

2018
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:22,320
presumably terahertz uh

2019
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,000
radiation that is necessary to test that

2020
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,760
highly unusual artifact

2021
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,600
which by the way let's just give linda

2022
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,960
multan how credit

2023
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,440
she held that for years and it was the

2024
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,480
caretaker of that

2025
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,760
and shopped it around to scientists for

2026
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,080
years including help often and others

2027
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,719
but anyway the point is if they can get

2028
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:44,000
a lab

2029
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,600
to study this and come up with something

2030
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,960
then that's to their benefit like

2031
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,880
they're having a hell of a time

2032
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:53,040
trying to find anyone who's able to

2033
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,159
study this thing

2034
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,960
because it's so difficult it's so

2035
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,480
unusual

2036
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,040
so but but other than that like what do

2037
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:02,480
they have

2038
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,159
like they've got the ability to uh

2039
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,520
through very capable people like

2040
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:09,040
christopher mellon to talk to members of

2041
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,080
congress

2042
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,080
and to try to get back door channels

2043
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,640
open to have a conversation

2044
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,199
among very fearful politicians who do

2045
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:19,120
not want to touch this subject

2046
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,040
like at all trying

2047
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,400
and usually not really succeeding as

2048
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:28,000
much as they want to stir up media

2049
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:29,040
attention

2050
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,480
i mean for the amount of information

2051
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,719
that they put out in the last year

2052
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,280
very little really i mean some but

2053
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,800
little has resonated with the larger

2054
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:38,400
media for more than a day or two

2055
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,719
and then it just goes away so there

2056
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:45,360
yeah i think that they're in some tough

2057
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:45,920
straights

2058
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,840
and i would like to see them succeed

2059
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,760
with what they're trying to do

2060
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,760
i think it's been reprehensible to see

2061
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,800
how some

2062
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,560
individuals in the community have been

2063
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,159
accusing them of

2064
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,719
uh engaging in some kind of disinfo op

2065
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:02,000
and all of this nonsense with no

2066
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:02,560
evidence

2067
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,760
post-modern

2068
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,159
upside-down world where you judge

2069
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:10,239
someone not based on what they say or do

2070
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,880
but based on

2071
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,239
who you think they are and what you

2072
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,080
think their motivations are

2073
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,239
uh to me that's absolutely the worst and

2074
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,159
wrong way to go about doing this

2075
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,080
you know we you have to understand what

2076
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:22,000
people are saying and doing

2077
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:25,440
before you understand what you think

2078
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,920
their

2079
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,920
motivations are like it's just getting

2080
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:29,040
everything backwards the way people have

2081
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,840
done it

2082
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,960
well there's something i want to hear

2083
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:32,400
what they have to say yeah there's no

2084
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:34,000
question about that and we are in a

2085
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,560
cancel

2086
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:37,360
culture and that part of it is real and

2087
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:37,760
then

2088
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:40,719
just when you know these these pretty

2089
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,360
big

2090
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,840
uh personalities and things that

2091
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,159
surfaced over the last couple of years

2092
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,719
and uh and you know how could it get

2093
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:49,760
bigger or more

2094
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,960
interesting and then we have uh

2095
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:56,080
the the case of chris bledsoe and and

2096
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:56,800
not only

2097
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:59,600
uh chris bledsoe but if you think about

2098
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:00,159
it it's

2099
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:04,880
it's his his his his information is

2100
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,520
critical but it is something that goes

2101
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:09,120
back to 2007

2102
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,400
and 2008 and largely

2103
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:15,040
ignored and now we go back and we look

2104
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:16,000
at his

2105
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:19,040
his case and his experiences and we have

2106
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,239
something that

2107
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:23,280
has been researched and looked into

2108
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:26,000
for a long time and this is something

2109
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,960
that

2110
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,800
absolutely has to be front and center

2111
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,320
don't you think

2112
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,320
yeah i'm a big supporter of chris and i

2113
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,840
you know i was fortunate i did an

2114
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,280
extended

2115
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:36,800
series of interviews with him on my

2116
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,120
radio program which people can listen to

2117
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,159
on our channel and he's he's quite

2118
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,320
remarkable his case is remarkable

2119
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,679
and it's uh it's another reprehensible

2120
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,040
thing by the way that there are still

2121
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,400
people out there right now trying to

2122
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,679
tear them down

2123
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,760
um i don't understand why they think

2124
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:54,880
that they that that's

2125
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,080
a good thing to do uh when you

2126
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,000
listen to chris talk about his story the

2127
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:01,840
thing about chris bledsoe

2128
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,560
is that you've got this it's weird

2129
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:05,679
because

2130
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:09,679
his story of ongoing contact

2131
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,719
is like that's a lot for a non

2132
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,560
uh a person who's not familiar with our

2133
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,640
field to handle like it's a lot

2134
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,920
and i think chris would be the first to

2135
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,800
tell you that but the fact is

2136
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,199
it really does appear to have happened

2137
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,920
and and i had to go through my own

2138
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,480
learning curve listening to these

2139
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,840
accounts and asking

2140
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,920
myself like do i do i really believe

2141
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:35,520
this guy you know that type of thing

2142
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:38,719
but the fact is i do i absolutely do and

2143
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,920
and what you learn more and more

2144
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,239
is that there have been some very

2145
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,840
interesting high-level people who

2146
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,800
clearly

2147
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,760
are interested in mr chris bledsoe's

2148
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,480
story

2149
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:52,880
so what you've got is a situation of

2150
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,080
you've got genuine ufos you've got

2151
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,199
uh like orb type phenomena you've got

2152
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,320
uh you've got beings that appear like

2153
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,760
apparitions of

2154
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:06,239
robed figures and this type of thing all

2155
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:09,520
of that happens and so it's a lot

2156
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,719
and it's a lot to believe but the fact

2157
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:13,920
is

2158
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:16,719
when people go in and investigate him

2159
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:17,360
they

2160
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,800
all come away strong believers because

2161
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,239
many of them have experienced things

2162
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,840
themselves

2163
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,600
i myself have not visited chris's home

2164
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,600
but i think that i plan to

2165
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,120
i think i think we're going to go down

2166
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:30,719
and pay him a visit

2167
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:33,280
but um i do know many many individuals

2168
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:33,840
who have

2169
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:36,960
or at least a few and yeah

2170
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,520
i think his story is quite remarkable

2171
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,199
quite remarkable i i need to take a

2172
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:43,120
break here richard and i'm not done with

2173
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,800
you i want to continue this chris

2174
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,800
bledsoe conversation that we've only

2175
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:47,360
done

2176
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,520
60 seconds on that was your strategy

2177
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,480
that was well played i've warned you i

2178
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,199
warned well

2179
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:56,960
here's the thing i just have to tell you

2180
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,400
i am turning into a pumpkin it is

2181
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,440
midnight here

2182
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:01,440
uh how about we do one more segment one

2183
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,560
more segment with

2184
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,640
richard bleep and dolan richard that's

2185
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,159
why this audience loves you so much

2186
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,470
oh bad richard that was fun and you know

2187
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:13,600
you were set up

2188
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:17,520
i

2189
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,760
more segment

2190
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:25,440
and then we'll call the night we'll be

2191
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:37,820
us

2192
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:48,229
welcome back fate to black i am your

2193
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,520
host jimmy church tonight richard

2194
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,199
believing dole in one more segment with

2195
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:53,120
richard

2196
01:20:57,149 --> 01:20:54,880
you can become an official fate or not

2197
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,159
just go to our membership section of

2198
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,440
jimmychurchradio.com

2199
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:01,840
autograph shirts autograph hats all that

2200
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,080
fun stuff private email to me

2201
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,520
you can do the same thing with richard

2202
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,440
richard you've got a membership section

2203
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:10,159
over at your site don't you what is it

2204
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,639
yes we do well we have uh the website is

2205
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,880
called richard allen members and

2206
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,040
there's a lot of i have a lot of free

2207
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:18,800
content up there i put things up all the

2208
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,520
time but

2209
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:22,480
there's a lot of members only content

2210
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,960
that

2211
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,920
tracy and i will upload every week so

2212
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:27,920
that will be

2213
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,040
i do a weekly video podcast that's

2214
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,400
usually close to an hour every week

2215
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:36,880
and on top of that then i'll usually do

2216
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,920
additional segments

2217
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,679
of my interviews on the richard olin

2218
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:41,920
show which are available only on the

2219
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:42,960
website

2220
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,239
and let's all do many articles and what

2221
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,719
we call off the cuffs so a lot of times

2222
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,320
if i'm bitching about something at the

2223
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:52,480
breakfast table tracy will stop me and

2224
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,360
say wait

2225
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,400
back up let me record that and

2226
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,560
often it's interesting enough that i'll

2227
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,320
just put it up on the site and um

2228
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,840
members of our site get to hear that too

2229
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,239
so it's a whole different side of me

2230
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,520
that um i usually will not present

2231
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,600
to the public but also thoughts on a

2232
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:10,880
whole variety of things

2233
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,000
a lot of ufo information and

2234
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,159
uh you know other things as well so

2235
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:17,600
that's our site and it's been quite

2236
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,320
active

2237
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,159
for the past couple of years it's been

2238
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,520
going really great

2239
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,440
wonderful and actually we started a

2240
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,880
forum

2241
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,040
on this site which a lot of people don't

2242
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,120
realize it was a big

2243
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,080
goal of ours to have something there are

2244
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:34,400
so many brilliant people who are members

2245
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:34,880
of

2246
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,719
our site and it was obvious that they

2247
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,719
needed an outlet like when you have that

2248
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,000
many smart people who

2249
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,679
really want to talk to each other we

2250
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:45,199
thought let's have a forum and so we

2251
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,000
have a closed

2252
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,400
forum on our site that's every bit as

2253
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,679
cool as above top secret

2254
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,239
in my opinion with every bit as many

2255
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,440
brilliant people there but it's

2256
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:55,280
it's just for us and so great

2257
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:56,960
conversations on everything under the

2258
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,360
sun

2259
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,280
there and i i'm so proud of that and

2260
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,960
we've got a couple of great moderators

2261
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,679
as well

2262
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:04,239
who this would not work without them so

2263
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:05,280
there's a lot of things that we have on

2264
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,159
our site that

2265
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,280
make it a really fun little universe on

2266
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:11,679
the posts that i put up with regularity

2267
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,320
there's

2268
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,960
lots and lots of comments below uh so

2269
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:16,800
between that and and the forum itself

2270
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,679
there's a lot of

2271
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:20,320
activity for the members of the site to

2272
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,199
participate in

2273
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:23,920
and i want to go hang out i want to

2274
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:25,040
google it it's actually a really fun

2275
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,760
place

2276
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,000
we have a lot of uh like pretty well

2277
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,840
known people in the ufo field who are

2278
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,760
members of the site they just come in to

2279
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,600
hang out it's kind of neat i really

2280
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,280
enjoy it it's very gratifying

2281
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:38,560
well what i have found is that uh

2282
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:41,920
with the ufo community um

2283
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,760
the ability to unravel

2284
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:48,000
a situation because there's too many

2285
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:49,120
smart people out there

2286
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,880
right whether it's a photograph or a

2287
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:53,120
video or a statement

2288
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,800
or whatever it is the ufo community

2289
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,600
you see these people surface they've got

2290
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:01,600
great memories a lot of them are

2291
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,400
super talented in their fields they know

2292
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:06,080
a lot about stuff whether it's physics

2293
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,920
or space or cooking

2294
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,840
it doesn't matter what you know that's

2295
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,120
right that's right and

2296
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,159
and uh when it comes to it this is my

2297
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,560
segue back to chris bledsoe

2298
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,560
when chris bledsoe and you did your

2299
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,480
series we had chris on the show last

2300
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:22,000
night as you know

2301
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:25,440
and the community has examined

2302
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:28,960
uh chris's case uh very critically

2303
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,800
and i think that uh he has had nothing

2304
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:33,600
but

2305
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,239
to this

2306
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,320
where people have looked into his case

2307
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,639
uh with the magnifying glass

2308
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,480
and that's i i find that part pretty

2309
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,920
interesting and when

2310
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,159
you come through the wash of the ufo

2311
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,520
community

2312
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,920
and you come out on the other side that

2313
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,760
says a lot doesn't it

2314
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,520
i think so well there there are always

2315
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:56,880
going to be critics uh

2316
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,840
and there are but yes i think it's true

2317
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,679
most people who have acquainted

2318
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:02,880
themselves

2319
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:06,080
with chris's history

2320
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,280
and the history of the sightings and

2321
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:09,440
encounters yeah they come away and press

2322
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:10,400
they come away

2323
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,239
believers and i'm i'm one of them so i

2324
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,280
went in very much um

2325
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,199
you know years ago i mean i knew about

2326
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,199
him but i didn't really

2327
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,880
talk with him i didn't know him and i

2328
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,320
wasn't i wasn't his friend or anything

2329
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:25,199
like that

2330
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,239
um and i was i guess i would say a bit

2331
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,679
on the fence i didn't really know what i

2332
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:30,639
thought about them

2333
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,440
but years and years go by and

2334
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,800
continually i would hear colleagues of

2335
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,639
mine friends of ours

2336
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,159
the people you know and people i know

2337
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,920
who what would tell me i went down there

2338
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,360
and i met with chris and

2339
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:45,520
this this crazy thing happened and this

2340
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:46,639
thing happened and that thing

2341
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,440
happened so um yeah you get enough of

2342
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,639
those and you realize there's something

2343
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:51,679
genuine about this

2344
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,880
and then you learn that

2345
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:57,120
and he you know chris is still very he's

2346
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,560
still very cagey about it and

2347
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,080
i guess he has to be but there are some

2348
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:03,120
very definite high-level people

2349
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,480
who you know they are interested in what

2350
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,159
is going on there

2351
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,120
so i i assume one day all of that will

2352
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:12,880
come out i mean

2353
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:15,040
i would like for it to come out but

2354
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:16,639
clearly there's a lot going on and

2355
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:17,600
there's a lot

2356
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:20,239
of interested there are many interested

2357
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,639
people

2358
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,639
in what's going on is at his property in

2359
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,239
north carolina

2360
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,320
and by the way yes i think you you

2361
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,920
realize when you spoke to him

2362
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,960
he is such a just a

2363
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:34,080
wonderful guy to talk to and um

2364
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,600
you know i ended up having a number of

2365
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:37,360
conversations with him on and off the

2366
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:37,840
record

2367
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,880
and he is just a sweetheart of a man and

2368
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,840
you just

2369
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:44,320
you really want things to go well for

2370
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,040
him i

2371
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,480
i ended up feeling uh very

2372
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,719
you know protective is too strong a word

2373
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:52,560
because i'm who am i to be protective of

2374
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:52,960
them

2375
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:55,760
but sometimes i get that you know uh

2376
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,520
when you see someone who's having a

2377
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:58,960
rough time

2378
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:02,000
uh there's that instinct to just want

2379
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,440
things that go well for someone

2380
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:06,000
and i found myself feeling that for him

2381
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:06,960
as well

2382
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:10,639
not that he not that he needs it but uh

2383
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,840
i guess i could just say i have a lot of

2384
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:13,840
good will for him there is

2385
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:17,040
another part of about this

2386
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:20,400
hence the setup uh two hours ago on the

2387
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:20,800
show

2388
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:24,159
and why i uh had that series of

2389
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,600
questions for you

2390
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:28,400
there's another part to there's two

2391
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,280
other elements

2392
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,320
to chris's uh case

2393
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,800
i'll just call it a case that come into

2394
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:36,239
play here that we don't

2395
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,440
have a whole lot with other situations

2396
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:41,840
like this in ufology and that is

2397
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,880
he's got a lot of video

2398
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:47,360
documentation he's got a lot of photo

2399
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:48,480
and images

2400
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,600
he's got a lot of eyewitnesses so

2401
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,520
there's that element that we discussed

2402
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:54,960
earlier

2403
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,760
we have the testimony that we discussed

2404
01:28:03,110 --> 01:27:58,800
earlier that is there

2405
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,120
and also the story has not changed

2406
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:05,840
and i think that is what is paramount

2407
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,159
here

2408
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:08,880
it hasn't gone in the other direction

2409
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:09,520
and we have

2410
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,639
all of that with chris bledsoe don't we

2411
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,080
yeah i think that's a really well

2412
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,159
well-made point that you have there yes

2413
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,679
his story has not changed to my

2414
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:19,840
knowledge and uh yes

2415
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:23,199
video i mean i've seen video and and i

2416
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,159
have to say like

2417
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,480
a lot of it looks interesting to me i've

2418
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:28,239
never felt like

2419
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,520
i'm expert at analyzing all of it or

2420
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,360
like you know can i prove or debunk it

2421
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:36,000
but it does look interesting to me and

2422
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,480
uh

2423
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,840
definitely the fact that there's an

2424
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,520
enormous number of witnesses compared

2425
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,280
with most ufo cases

2426
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,600
that he's got yeah the thing is like you

2427
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:45,040
have to wonder is all of this

2428
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,880
ufo related or is there something else

2429
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,320
going on and

2430
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:50,480
uh i think he feels that there's more

2431
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:51,520
than that

2432
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,880
i don't know for myself like where where

2433
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:58,560
i stand as to what it is

2434
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,280
is experienced you know his story about

2435
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:02,960
encountering the lady

2436
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:06,239
as she's called uh that's just is that a

2437
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,440
ufo story

2438
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:10,560
that's actually right out of centuries

2439
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,080
old encounters that people have reported

2440
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,320
uh over many many centuries you know

2441
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,679
encounters with what they believe was

2442
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,440
the virgin mary and things like this

2443
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:21,440
and i'm not saying that this was that

2444
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,280
but it has a lot of commonality

2445
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:28,000
uh to those ancient stories that go back

2446
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,760
centuries and centuries

2447
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,600
so what is it that he's experiencing is

2448
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:33,199
it an extraterrestrial thing

2449
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,560
there is there are ufo elements to

2450
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,400
his story but there is much more than

2451
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,480
that and uh that's why it's

2452
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:42,480
it's kind of hard even now after all

2453
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,679
this time talking with him

2454
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:46,000
for me to wrap my own brain around what

2455
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,280
exactly

2456
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,360
is this man and his family experiencing

2457
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:51,679
and i don't know what the answer to that

2458
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:52,480
is but i

2459
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:55,120
do believe it's real and i believe that

2460
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,239
these are

2461
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,400
absolutely decent honest individuals

2462
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:00,000
honest people

2463
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,480
so um yeah i want to hear more about

2464
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:03,520
their stories

2465
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:06,480
i'm never not interested i always want

2466
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,760
to hear more about what's going on with

2467
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,040
chris bledsoe

2468
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,360
somebody just posted uh i have a ufo

2469
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:13,679
hanging out my house as we speak

2470
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,800
it's been there since 7pm doing loops

2471
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:18,320
and shape shifting

2472
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,440
i just got updated pics i'm freaking out

2473
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,679
and this is out of detroit

2474
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:26,159
so oh i've got uh images that have just

2475
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:27,679
come into my inbox

2476
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:30,800
from detroit what wow

2477
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,760
see i had a conversation a week ago with

2478
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,520
peter davenport who runs the national

2479
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:37,679
ufo reporting center

2480
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:40,239
and uh but peter's a fascinating man to

2481
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,719
talk to

2482
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,960
in his own right but this is a man who

2483
01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:43,760
has

2484
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:47,120
run a website since 1994

2485
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:50,960
so 26 years now which is the leading

2486
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:53,679
uh website to receive ufo reports year

2487
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,719
in year out

2488
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,400
thousands and thousands every year five

2489
01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:59,040
six seven seven thousand per year

2490
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:02,480
and you know what it tells me is that on

2491
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:04,800
any given day

2492
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:06,560
uh there's something interesting going

2493
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,000
on and

2494
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:10,159
uh we're not saying all of those are

2495
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:11,840
genuine ufos but

2496
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,360
you go through those cases that come

2497
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,199
into him and

2498
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,520
a lot of them like a decent percentage

2499
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:21,520
of them are genuinely interesting

2500
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,639
so on any given day you've got dozens of

2501
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:26,639
interesting things happening it's really

2502
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:29,280
shocking it's like

2503
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:30,400
i feel like we do live in the

2504
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:32,400
upside-down world like where all the

2505
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,480
things that we're told

2506
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:36,159
it's almost it's like the opposite like

2507
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:38,320
we're told oh there's ufos every once in

2508
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:39,440
a while if if at

2509
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:42,840
all no there's a very significant

2510
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:46,080
infrastructure of this phenomenon that

2511
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:49,920
i think exists like i have come to feel

2512
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:54,960
believe strongly that there's a

2513
01:32:03,110 --> 01:31:58,159
a significant number of them whoever

2514
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,120
they are living here

2515
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,360
probably in isolation but maybe among us

2516
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,199
as well

2517
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:10,000
and they've got their own society and

2518
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:10,400
they

2519
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:13,040
are by and large separate from us but

2520
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:14,639
they do what they do

2521
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,480
and i believe now that this is the

2522
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:20,480
fundamental reason why there are so many

2523
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:22,560
sightings all over the world

2524
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,920
you know we only know about the north

2525
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:25,600
american sightings by and large because

2526
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:26,320
we've got

2527
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:27,840
an infrastructure here to take the

2528
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:30,480
reports but there's just as many going

2529
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:31,040
on in

2530
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:34,159
south america and in europe and in asia

2531
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:34,560
as well

2532
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:37,600
i'm convinced in africa but most of

2533
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,040
those regions don't have enough of a

2534
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:41,440
reporting system in place to take these

2535
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:42,800
down but i think that there's a lot

2536
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,600
going on

2537
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:45,920
yeah and and and going back to chris

2538
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:46,719
bledsoe

2539
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:49,360
uh directly talking about what you're

2540
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:51,120
talking about right now

2541
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:54,800
is that uh you know with chris's case

2542
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:57,760
are we talking about something that is

2543
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,400
alien or e.t or off-world or something

2544
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:02,560
that is a phenomenon that is here that

2545
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,320
could have an et element

2546
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:06,960
is there something else in play i don't

2547
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:07,600
know

2548
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:10,719
but then you go and watch that

2549
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:14,080
burning tree video that his son shot

2550
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:16,639
in the backyard right the burning tree

2551
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:17,440
videos

2552
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:20,080
i should say and and i watch that

2553
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:20,880
richard i

2554
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:24,639
try to be objective i try to just

2555
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:28,480
not you know jump in uh one feet first

2556
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:31,520
and you watch that and you have to back

2557
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:32,400
up and

2558
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,360
genuinely ask yourself what what's this

2559
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:37,520
about what is going on here

2560
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:39,679
yeah it's it's powerful it's fascinating

2561
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:40,719
video

2562
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:43,760
and i don't know how to debunk that so

2563
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:47,120
um at least in an honest way i don't see

2564
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:49,920
how you can really debunk that honestly

2565
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:51,679
i don't see how one can

2566
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:54,159
so well you know here's the thing where

2567
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:55,760
we humans are smart

2568
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:58,719
creatures for the most part and um we've

2569
01:34:01,590 --> 01:34:00,320
got a good ability to figure out things

2570
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,600
about this world around us

2571
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:03,280
but we have our limitations and that's

2572
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:05,040
not a criticism against us it just means

2573
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,000
that

2574
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:09,040
we don't know things like our our

2575
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:13,600
brains are organized in a certain way

2576
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,800
we perceive space and time

2577
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,440
in a certain way it's not to say that

2578
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,719
space and time are

2579
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:22,480
as we perceive them and we have to keep

2580
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,880
reminding ourselves of that fact

2581
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,639
and so we're in a world where we're

2582
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:28,320
encountering

2583
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:32,000
uh you know realities we're smart enough

2584
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:36,800
to detect these other realities that are

2585
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,000
just beyond our ability to comprehend

2586
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,239
but um but we don't have that ability

2587
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,159
it's like you know think about your dog

2588
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:47,199
or cat they're intelligent creatures

2589
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:49,760
your dog knows you your dog knows a lot

2590
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:51,760
of things about you your dog can

2591
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:54,080
detect your emotions maybe better than a

2592
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:55,440
lot of other people can

2593
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:58,000
and your dog is has got great hearing

2594
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,600
and great sense of smell and detects

2595
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,800
things that we're not aware of

2596
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:02,400
but your dog doesn't know a lot of

2597
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:04,239
things like when you when you leave the

2598
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:05,199
house to go to work

2599
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:07,040
your dog doesn't know where you're going

2600
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,320
your dog can't

2601
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,000
know where you're going your dog doesn't

2602
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:11,760
know what the moon is your dog doesn't

2603
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:13,280
know that it's been taken out of its

2604
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:14,000
natural environment

2605
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,920
to live with humans and to eat dog food

2606
01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:17,760
that's manufactured in

2607
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:19,679
factories and put into a can like

2608
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,280
because he's a dog

2609
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,199
like their brains work a certain way and

2610
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,520
so your dog is at a certain level

2611
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,840
you're at a bit of a higher level and

2612
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:29,199
you can perceive things that your dog

2613
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,239
cannot understand

2614
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:32,159
but what's at a higher level than us

2615
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:33,440
like there

2616
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:37,679
clearly must be perceptual

2617
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,119
and cognitive capabilities

2618
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,159
beyond what we are able to do in our own

2619
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:46,480
very excellent minds but we've got our

2620
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,199
limits

2621
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:50,239
and so i think when we're encountering

2622
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,760
whether it's ufos or this let's call a

2623
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,760
paranormal phenomenon

2624
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:57,679
i personally think that we're running

2625
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:00,639
into a phenomenon that we're

2626
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:04,159
we're not ideally equipped to understand

2627
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:05,920
it doesn't mean that we can't try and

2628
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:08,159
that we can't make some progress but

2629
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,679
we're running into some serious

2630
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:11,760
obstacles it seems to me and it's

2631
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,679
very possibly the limitation of

2632
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,840
our ability to perceive space and time

2633
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:19,280
in a certain way

2634
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,400
so if we're able to overcome that

2635
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:25,440
and maybe maybe we can in some way um i

2636
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,320
mean i think we

2637
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:28,800
actually may have some ability to but

2638
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:29,360
it's

2639
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:33,920
it may not be an innate natural ability

2640
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,840
so as long as we've got that limitation

2641
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,600
i i think we're going to struggle

2642
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:39,600
to understand some of these things that

2643
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,480
um that chris is experiencing and

2644
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,800
other people have had these types of

2645
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:46,159
experiences

2646
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,159
um have had and that's just my opinion

2647
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,880
it's not it's not um for me to say that

2648
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,239
we'll never understand

2649
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,159
or that it's not worth trying like it's

2650
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,840
absolutely worth

2651
01:37:01,750 --> 01:37:00,159
trying because the ufo phenomenon is

2652
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:01,760
really our greatest teacher

2653
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:05,679
in many ways you find that it's

2654
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,159
it's on the edge of so many of our areas

2655
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:10,159
of science and knowledge

2656
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:13,760
so that we we need to study it we

2657
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,040
need excuse me to dive in

2658
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:18,880
uh because its implications are so

2659
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,440
profound and because it's on the edge

2660
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:23,520
of our reality it's on the edge of our

2661
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,960
understanding

2662
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,639
but whether we're going to get the full

2663
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:29,199
grasp of it well i don't know about that

2664
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:32,639
but it's it's clear to me that

2665
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,520
we really want to be studying this it's

2666
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,880
really valuable to us

2667
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,560
and we can learn a lot we can still

2668
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:40,800
learn a lot much more than we know now

2669
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,520
mike schnauzer malcolm just said to me

2670
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,520
tell dolan i know he's an author and

2671
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:46,639
publisher and he

2672
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,840
lives in new york he's full of crap

2673
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:52,000
i'm just telling he literally just said

2674
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:53,199
that

2675
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:56,719
i i just watched

2676
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,920
uh a movie that i strongly suggest you

2677
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:02,400
check out it's called horse girl

2678
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,920
and the movie uh you get about halfway

2679
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,520
through it i'm not going to

2680
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,840
disclose anything here but you get about

2681
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,440
halfway through it you get very

2682
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:13,920
uncomfortable because the movie is about

2683
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:18,159
uh uh aliens uh abductions her parents

2684
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,000
and she goes off into

2685
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:25,119
uh she goes crazy all right she goes

2686
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:25,760
nuts

2687
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,320
and it's a very uncomfortable thing to

2688
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,320
witness to see somebody go through this

2689
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:32,400
type of psychosis

2690
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,080
um in the end of the movie it's got a

2691
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:36,159
great ending okay so you got to get

2692
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,719
through it

2693
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,600
but what i found myself thinking richard

2694
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,360
is exactly what you were just saying

2695
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,040
you get about halfway through the movie

2696
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:45,040
and i'm thinking to myself

2697
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,480
is this how i am perceived

2698
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,639
because she's out there speaking to

2699
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:52,719
people trying to

2700
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,159
discuss these things and and and people

2701
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:58,080
are looking at her like she's absolutely

2702
01:39:05,189 --> 01:38:58,880
crazy

2703
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:05,199
okay and today and i thought to myself

2704
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:08,400
am i that am i the crazy person right

2705
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:12,000
and then i had to back up and realize

2706
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,520
about the amount of uh alien

2707
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,760
conversation and tv programming in

2708
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:18,880
movies and

2709
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,440
and what's going on worldwide it's it

2710
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:23,840
now it's openly and discussed

2711
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,960
so i'm not that crazy person and i

2712
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,920
feel that i can discuss these subjects

2713
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:31,840
in a public context

2714
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:34,880
where we weren't able to do this before

2715
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,800
you should watch horse girl you'll

2716
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:38,320
understand exactly what i'm talking

2717
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,719
about

2718
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,480
yeah thank you for the tip we'll look

2719
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:43,360
into it do you feel that you can openly

2720
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,080
discuss this

2721
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:46,800
go to home depot and bring up uh ufos at

2722
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:47,360
the

2723
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,800
time

2724
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,119
because actually i i do almost all the

2725
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,000
time i mean

2726
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,400
not really all the time but i'm i'm

2727
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:58,080
never afraid to talk about it anymore

2728
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,199
never

2729
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,520
um you know years ago when i would fly

2730
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,280
uh to a conference back in like i don't

2731
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,600
know 2003 2004

2732
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:07,600
back in those days i would always sit

2733
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,639
down and never want to talk about ufos

2734
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,920
you know i'd be next to the person with

2735
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:13,920
their excel spreadsheet you'd always say

2736
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,600
what do you do for a living and

2737
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:17,040
i really didn't want to get into you

2738
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,119
know i just thought oh it's uh

2739
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,639
it's too far out there and eventually i

2740
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,040
started to break down and discuss it

2741
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:25,920
um now i don't i don't talk about it on

2742
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,280
planes because people then they don't

2743
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,719
stop talking to you

2744
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,159
like they just want you for the rest of

2745
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,920
the flight but like when i'm in public

2746
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:33,360
when tracy and i are out usually

2747
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,880
shopping or for at

2748
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,199
um you know grocery store or home depot

2749
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:38,320
or wherever

2750
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,600
um no we're never we never hesitate

2751
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:44,000
you kidding i feel like it's actually we

2752
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:44,880
do a really good

2753
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,840
thing by bringing it up in a confident

2754
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:49,040
knowledgeable way

2755
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,639
because what what you find is that

2756
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:52,320
people have a

2757
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,760
hunger for this information and a lot of

2758
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,920
times they don't even realize it until

2759
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,840
they confront it and they or it

2760
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,440
confronts them i should say

2761
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,679
and then they realize my god this is

2762
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,560
fascinating

2763
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:06,560
i want to know more and and they'll

2764
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,760
realize

2765
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:09,600
you see it happening like you can watch

2766
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:10,960
it happening in someone's face

2767
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,239
they get this realization like this

2768
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,400
person is dead serious and he seems to

2769
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:18,480
know what he's talking about and

2770
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:21,520
i want that knowledge like i've seen it

2771
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,000
happen

2772
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:25,040
countless times so i i know for a fact

2773
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,719
there's an enormous hunger

2774
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,960
out there often by people who don't

2775
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,560
realize they're hungry

2776
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,760
until then they do and uh so that's the

2777
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:35,360
great thing about this subject and so

2778
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:36,800
for that reason

2779
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:39,280
i almost never hesitate anymore i just

2780
01:41:43,030 --> 01:41:40,080
bring it up

2781
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:43,040
that's who i am yeah i'm the same way i

2782
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,920
was uh

2783
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:46,239
at an airport many many years ago i'm at

2784
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:47,760
an airport

2785
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,600
and we had to change uh equipment right

2786
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,679
had to change planes they were so we're

2787
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,440
waiting for another plane to come up

2788
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,520
there's a problem with the first plane

2789
01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:59,840
and about an hour goes by two pilots

2790
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:01,600
come up and i'm standing with you know

2791
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,719
150 people

2792
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,560
at the gate uh we've been there for

2793
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,639
about an hour two pilots come up

2794
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,320
and they're standing behind me and i

2795
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:09,840
turned around and said hey uh how you

2796
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:10,800
guys doing because

2797
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:13,679
we're we're the new crew i said oh okay

2798
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,080
cool

2799
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:17,199
all right and i said so you guys ever

2800
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:18,400
see a ufo

2801
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:21,679
right i love it i went straight there

2802
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,119
the look that they gave me richard

2803
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,520
they gave me the crazy look and just

2804
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:29,119
kind of smirked and

2805
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,199
it was nothing positive but i wonder

2806
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:35,760
if those same two pilots came up to me

2807
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,119
today

2808
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,800
with the same situation in the same

2809
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:40,239
conversation

2810
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,440
i i think that they would say yes or no

2811
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,320
they would engage i mean as we all know

2812
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:48,880
many many pilots have seen them

2813
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:51,920
many pilots you know i mean we've both

2814
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,239
i'm sure gotten quite a few stories from

2815
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:57,199
commercial pilots private pilots uh

2816
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:58,800
military pilots

2817
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,920
they're they're all out there they've

2818
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,159
all encountered this all right not all

2819
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,760
of them but so many of them have

2820
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,280
i have so there's obviously something

2821
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,119
going on yeah i have a friend

2822
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,719
i won't say his last name but his first

2823
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:10,560
name is steve i've known steve since he

2824
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,119
was

2825
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,040
you know 16 years old in high school he

2826
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:15,520
is now a commercial pilot for a major

2827
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:16,639
carrier

2828
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:19,600
um but i went out with steve in a little

2829
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,040
private plane

2830
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:23,600
uh seven years ago and we're flying

2831
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,080
around

2832
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,719
la i got to take the stick or the wheel

2833
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,239
and i'm flying around

2834
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,639
and and i asked steve i go man ever see

2835
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:32,960
a ufo and he goes dude

2836
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:36,239
i was uh uh you know five years ago

2837
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,639
i'm flying this plane that we're in

2838
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:39,440
right now

2839
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:42,000
and i'm out over catalina over the

2840
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:43,360
pacific ocean

2841
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:46,480
and man this silver disk it was

2842
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:49,040
lit up from the inside it was metallic

2843
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:49,679
but it was

2844
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,360
bright uh lit up glowing

2845
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:55,840
flew from left to right underneath my

2846
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:56,800
plane

2847
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,000
and and just took and i called air

2848
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:02,639
traffic control and said what's going on

2849
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,360
they hadn't seen anything he said and

2850
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:06,880
the way that the wings are

2851
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,639
on this plane the wings are low not

2852
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,639
above you right they're low

2853
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,920
so as he looked to his right he said it

2854
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:15,840
was underneath the wing and i couldn't

2855
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:18,080
chase it anymore i couldn't see it and

2856
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:19,520
i'm flying the plane

2857
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:22,320
and and i turned and it wasn't there he

2858
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,119
said but i

2859
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,159
i saw it man and it went left to right

2860
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,880
i said what are you saying about 2008

2861
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:30,480
yeah yeah something like that and he

2862
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:31,600
said uh

2863
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,280
uh uh oh he said it was a flying

2864
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:37,840
saucer he said it's exactly what you

2865
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,679
think it was a flying saucer it was

2866
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,080
metallic it was glowing

2867
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:44,159
and and flew underneath and it moved and

2868
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,199
when it left

2869
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,719
like a left to right move like almost

2870
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,400
like a head fake and then it just moves

2871
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:50,400
just underneath underneath he thought he

2872
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:51,520
was gonna hit it

2873
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,679
is what he said he said it was that

2874
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:54,960
close and it flew

2875
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:57,600
underneath and went left to right and he

2876
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:58,400
tried to

2877
01:45:02,070 --> 01:45:01,040
follow it didn't zigzag or anything like

2878
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,080
that nope he said

2879
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,239
he's something lit up to his left caught

2880
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:05,360
his attention

2881
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:08,080
he looked and right under it lasted for

2882
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,560
about a

2883
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,040
second and he turns to his right and the

2884
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:13,360
wing is in the way he can't see it so

2885
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:16,320
you know the plane turns slowly you know

2886
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:18,080
it's not some any so he

2887
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:20,800
turned the plane to see and it was gone

2888
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,480
but you know that this is a friend of

2889
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:24,000
mine he's got nothing to gain

2890
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,840
you know he's just telling me he has his

2891
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:27,920
one singular experience

2892
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:30,639
he's another pilot yeah another one just

2893
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:32,239
throw him in the pile there's so many

2894
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:33,280
others just like that

2895
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:35,679
he called air traffic control and and

2896
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:37,360
he's

2897
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,480
he said something like uh no he has a

2898
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:42,560
flight log with him and i watched him he

2899
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,080
writes everything out got his

2900
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:46,400
checklist before we take off he's very

2901
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,360
meticulous

2902
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:50,000
you know he's a commercial jet uh pilot

2903
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:50,639
but um

2904
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:53,119
he said man i didn't put it in my flight

2905
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,000
log

2906
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:55,920
i i didn't write it down yeah

2907
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,159
fascinating great story there you go

2908
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,159
richard thank you so much my friend so

2909
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,159
it's richard dolan

2910
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,719
members what is that yeah richard allen

2911
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,760
members.com

2912
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,840
there you go everybody go check it out

2913
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:09,840
richard dolanmembers.com

2914
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,800
uh my favorite site ever no we're gonna

2915
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,639
we're gonna be at contact in the desert

2916
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:19,040
in may are you doing anything before

2917
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,320
then

2918
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:22,480
uh yes uh tracy and i are going down to

2919
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,080
edinburgh texas

2920
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,199
right near the border for an event in uh

2921
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,840
mid april we have that listed on our

2922
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,960
site it's a nice

2923
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,880
nice kind of an event it's organized by

2924
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:34,320
the town there

2925
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:38,239
and it's uh april

2926
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:41,920
2 generation just standing here just

2927
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:42,880
wrote it down for me

2928
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,280
april 4th i was wrong about that that's

2929
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,440
the main thing that we've got coming up

2930
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:49,920
uh i'll see you at contact in the desert

2931
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:50,960
and um

2932
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:53,440
i'm sure we'll see each other in the uk

2933
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,320
later in the year

2934
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:56,880
it's going to be great and uh and say hi

2935
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,159
to tracy forrest

2936
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,320
and enjoy the rest of your evening and

2937
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:01,920
and and thank you for hanging richard

2938
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:03,440
it's always a great conversation my

2939
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,159
friend

2940
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:06,080
jimmy i loved it i always do thanks for

2941
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:07,600
having me on richard

2942
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:10,159
bleepin dolan thank you richard thank

2943
01:47:13,950 --> 01:47:10,960
you sir

2944
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,960
richard nolan it is

2945
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:15,119
richarddolenmembers.com

2946
01:47:19,629 --> 01:47:16,639
and also if you want to check out

2947
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:21,910
richarddolenpress.com the links are over

2948
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,920
at jimmychurchradio.com

2949
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,280
with that i'm going to take a quick

2950
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:27,119
break and i'll come back and take

2951
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,760
your phone calls open lines are next

2952
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,280
this is fade to black and the game

2953
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:33,840
changer network and kgra

2954
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:35,520
the planet i'll be right back stay with